UK Bookmakers - Sports Betting in the United Kingdom

Worldwide Gambling Market Segments and Recent Trends

The gambling market consists of sales of gambling services and related goods by entities that operate gambling facilities, such as casinos, bingo halls, video gaming terminals, lotteries, and off-track sports betting.
Gambling is the act of wagering money or something of value on an event with an uncertain outcome that is not under gambler control, with an intent of winning money. Bingo parlors, coin-operated gambling device concession operators, bookmakers, lottery ticket sales agents, and card rooms are also included in this market. The gambling market also includes sales of gambling services and related goods by entities that operate casino hotels.
The Gambling market is segmented into casino lotteries, sports betting, others
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The Gambling market is segmented casino lotteries, sports betting, others. The companies covered are :
• China Sports Lottery
• China Welfare Lottery
• Sociedad Estatal Loterías y Apuestas del Estado S.A.
• Las Vegas Sands Corporation
• Japan Takarakuji lottery
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Table Of Content
  1. Gambling Market Characteristics
  2. Gambling Market Size And Growth
  3. Gambling Trends And Strategies;
  4. Pestle Analysis
  5. Gambling Market Customer Information;
  6. Gambling Market Regional And Country Analysis
  7. Gambling Market Segmentation
  8. Gambling Market Segments
  9. Global Gambling Market Comparison With Macro Economic Factors
10.Gambling Market Comparison With Macro Economic Factors Across Countries
  1. Asia-Pacific Gambling Market
  2. Western Europe Gambling Market
  3. Eastern Europe Gambling Market
  4. North America Gambling Market
  5. South America Gambling Market
  6. Middle East Gambling Market
  7. Africa Gambling Market
  8. Gambling Market Competitive Landscape
  9. Key Mergers And Acquisitions In The Gambling Market
  10. Market Background
  11. Appendix
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[For Sale] [For Trade] A Whole Mess Of Things (Video Game Soundtracks, VMP Exclusives, RSD Leftovers, Even Random/Rare Vinyl including Hip Hop, DFA1979, Hardcore, Ben Folds, Modest Mouse, Lips and other things of all sorts...

EDIT UPDATE: I've added a quick "Box Set" category to the mess so if you're interested...that happened. Also planning on adding more...once a short nap takes place.
Shipping from Kansas City. Prices all include shipping so no surprises (unless, of course, you reside out of the lower 48 or internationally, then it varies but I'll try and find the cheapest rate). Bulk discounts will gladly be applied depending and I am open to all offers if you believe something is set to high or unfairly...if I make a mistake and have an album set higher than it's available for from it's source (and hasn't yet retired, of course) I am more than willing to adjust. Giving it another shot...let's hope I don't get too beat up this time around...
Additionally: %5-%10 of each purchase will be given to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, so I and they both thank you. If you feel obligated to provide additional assistance, don't worry...that shit won't end up in my pocket, I'll gladly add it to the charity pile, if not, don't sweat it, absolutely no big deal at all...
Also open to any trades. Welcome to throw any suggestions my way and I'd be more than glad to consider. Some releases I've specially got my eye on currently include Jazz Dispensary: Cosmic Stash Box Set (I've got a couple extra Jazz Dispensary/SPARC Collaboration 7"'s on Blue Vinyl that were released for 4/20 and LTD.500 at SPARC Dispensaries in California to throw in if anybody would be able to find this one for me), Brand New- The Devil & God Are Raging Inside Me (2xLP, LTD.666, Red), Bright Eyes Singles (esp. I'm Grateful...or Gentlemen's Pact by Conor), Modest Mouse Singles, Brand New Singles, RATM Singles (or Battle Of LA on Blue Vinyl), Herbie Hancock- Head Hunters (2xLP, Gatefold or Miles Davis Prestige 10" Collection Vol. 2...but also open to whatever...
Video Game Soundtracks...
NES Classics Vol. II (LP, Silver) [Moonshake/Bootleg] @ $33
Mega Man 3 Original Sountrack (LP, Blue) [Moonshake/Bootleg] @ $OLD
Mega Man- Best Of 1-10 (LP, LTD., Pic Disc) @ $73
Katamari Damacy OST (2xLP, LTD.1,000, Red/White Swirl LP, Green/White Swirl LP) @ $OLD
Killer Kuts (Killer Instinct) OST- (LP, LTD., Green "Fulgore Variant") @ $65
Killer Kuts (Killer Instinct) OST- (LP, LTD., Blue "Sabrewolf Variant") @ $55
VMP Exclusives...
Arctic Monkeys- Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not (LP, LTD., VMP ED., Clear w/ Black Smoke, 180g) @ $35
Beach House- Devotion (2xLP, LTD., VMP ED., Clear w/ Gold Splatter "Gold Cloud Burst", 180mg) @ $35
St. Vincent- Masseducation (LP, LTD., VMP ED., Blue) @ $26
Betty Davis- S/T (LP, LTD., VMP ED., SilveBlue Splatter, 180mg) @ $26 [PENDING]
Kevin Morby- City Music (LP, LTD., VMP ED., Orange/White Marble) @ $24
Clipse- Lord Willin' (2xLP, 45RPM, LTD., VMP ED., Green "Emerald") @ $OLD
Fatboy Slim- You've Come A Long Way, Baby (2xLP, VMP ED., LTD.2,000, Numbered, Sky Blue w/ Coffee Splatter) @ $52
De La Soul- Buhloone Mind State (LP, LTD., VMP ED., Red) @ $50
William Bell- The Soul Of A Bell (LP, LTD., VMP ED., Stereo, 180g) @ $32
RSD Leftovers...
DISCLAIMER: I realize a lot of the 2018 releases are priced a bit up there, please realize I am not trying to over inflate the price the reason is because I missed out on a few and ended up ordering from the UK on their release, which were not only already quite more than typical US prices but also included wild shipping prices. An0yway, picked up some spares for my brother and he already had couple so...in the long run, I'm actually biting the bullet on them slightly but if they seem overly inflated I completely understand, especially with the rereleases that are coming...
Tim Armstrong- A Poet's Life (LP, RSD18 ED., LTD.900, White) @ $65
Arcade Fire- S/T (LP, RSD18 ED., LTD. (12", 33 1/3 RPM, RSD18 ED., LTD.10,000, Numbered, Blue Transparent) @ $50
Cheech & Chong- Up In Smoke (40th Anniversary) (10", RSD18, 45RPM, Single, LTD.4,500, Picture Disc, "Pot Leaf" Shaped) @ $35
Pink Floyd- The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn (LP, RSD18, LTD.6,000, MONO, 180 w/ Poster) @ $60
Iron Horse- Pickin' On Modest Mouse (LP, RSD18, LTD.1,000, S/E, Stereo) @ $35
Pineapple Express OST- (2xLP, LTD.1,900, RSD17, Green "Grass" Marble) @ $29
Ben Folds & WASO- Live In Perth (2xLP, LTD., RSD17, RE) @ $30
Other Randomly Assorted LP's/12"...
Atmosphere- Strictly Leakage (2xLP, LTD.) @ $75
Atmosphere- The Family Sign (2xLP, LTD., Clear) @ $75
Army Of Darkness OST- (2xLP, LTD., 45RPM) {Smooth as a baby's bottom, just received as categorized under Blue/Black S/E variant at a killer deal @ only $68, only to realize it was not...damn. Anyway, still in shrink as pretty as it comes) @ $55
Ben Folds- Songs For Silverman (LP, LTD.500, 180g, Clear) @ $35
Ben Folds- Way To Normal (2xLP, 180g) @ $55
Ben Folds Five- Whatever And Ever, Amen (LP, LTD., 180g, "Baby Blue") @ $50
Ben Folds Five - The Unauthorized Biography Of Reinhold Messner (LP, LTD., Red) @ $45
Bob Marley- Legend (2xLP, LTD., S/E, Green/Yellow/Red Split) @ $45
Brand New- Your Favorite Weapon (LP, Reissue, Standard Black) @ $26
Brand New- The Devil & God Are Raging Inside Me (2xLP, LTD.500, Purple Swirl) @ $120
Brand New- The Devil & God Are Raging Inside Me (2xLP, LTD.500, Sea Foam Green) @ $115
ALSO: I've got an autographed sleeve on the Sea Foam Variant but since they have identical sleeves I am willing to swap it to the purple if interested. Inquiry in regards to prices w/ signed sleeve (by Jesse Lacey only, not the entire band)
Brand New- Science Fiction (2xLP, LTD.5,000, S/E, Red LP, Blue LP) @ $37
Brand New- Science Fiction (2xLP, LTD. S/E w/ Pogolith #002, Dried Flowers, Assorted Artwork & Posters and Slip Mat) {Still in sealed box} @ $60
The Dark Crystal OST (35th Anniversary Edition)- (LP, LTD.200, Numbered, S/E, w/ 24pg. Booklet, Clear w/ Purple Splatter) @ $65
David Dondero- Spider West Myshkin And A City Bus (2xLP, LTD.900, Standard Black) @ $35
David Dondero- Spider West Myskin And A City Bus (2xLP, LTD.100, S/E, Translucent Purple) @ $85
ALSO: I have an autographed sleeve of this album as well as he sent me my copies directly himself, again, if interested inquire about prices
The Faint- Capsule:1999-2016 (2xLP, LTD., Compilation, Silver, w/ 7") @ $30 [PENDING]
Death From Above 1979- You're A Woman, I'm A Machine (LP, Standard Black) @ $33
Death From Above 1979- You're A Woman, I'm A Machine (LP, LTD., S/E, Marble Pink) @ 115
Death From Above 1979- You're A Woman, I'm A Machine (LP, LTD.80, S/E, White "Tour Edition" [w/ Special Sleeve Artwork done by Sebastian] @ $150
Eve 6- Horrorscope (LP, LTD.700, S/E, Tri Gatefold, Clear w/ Blue Splatter) @ $70
Eve 6- Horrorscope (LP, LTD.300, S/E, Tri Gatefold, Blue/Orange Split) @ $85
The Flaming Lips- Embryonic (2xLP) @ $25
The Flaming Lips- The Flaming Lips (12", EP, LTD., Green Transparent, Signed by Wayne) @ $42
Gogol Bordello- Seekers & Finders (LP, Blue/White Marble "Indie Exclusive") @ $24
Hot Rod Circuit- Sorry About Tomorrow (LP, LTD.400, Pink Marble) @ $60
Jack White- Blunderbuss (LP, Standard Black) @ $24
Jack White- Lazaretto (LP, Ultra LP, Etched, Standard Black) {This album is a lot of fun to play with if you have a decent table and a fair knowledge of how to use it...or, it can really fuck up the record/your stylus} @ $25
Mae.- Destination:Beautiful- (LP, LTD.200, S/E, Baby Blue/Aqua Blue Swirl w/ White, Sea Blue and Electric Blue Splatter) @ $65
Miles Davis- Bitches Brew (2xLP, Standard Black) @ $30
Modest Mouse- We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank (2xLP, LTD., Orange/Blue Split) @ $33 [PENDING]
Modest Mouse- The Moon & Antarctica (2xLP, LTD.500, Numbered, 180g, Transparent Clear) @ $90
The Number 12 Looks Like You- Nuclear. Sad. Nuclear. (LP, LTD., Bone w/ Black Haze) @ $65
The Number 12 Looks Like You- Nuclear. Sad. Nuclear. (LP, LTD.150, Opaque Orange In Transparent Milky Clear) @ $80
The Number 12 Looks Like You- Nuclear. Sad. Nuclear. (LP, LTD., Transparent Green w/ Black Haze) @ $65
Radiohead- OK Computer OKNOTOK 1997 2017 (3xLP, S/E, 180g, Blue Opaque) @ $38
Right Away, Great Captain!- Trilogy (4xLP, LTD.1,000, Tri Fold Cover, Hand Signed/Numbered by Andy Hull, 2xLP Clear w/ Yellow Splatter, LP Clear w/ Blue Splatter, LP Clear w/ Green Splatter, includes all three albums that consist of the concept project) {By far, one of my absolute favorite albums I own} @ $180
Say Anything- ...Is A Real Boy/...Was A Real Boy (2xLP, LTD., Green/Black/White Haze, Signed By Max Beamis) @ $80
Say Anything- ...Is A Real Boy/...Was A Real Boy (4x10", 7", Multiple Variants, Some With/Some Without Signatures) @ $VARIES
Sufjan Stevens- Sufjan Stevens Invites You To: Come On, Feel The Illinoise (2xLP, LTD.1,000, Tri Gatefold, Red LP, Green LP) {Still sealed since 2013, as close to "Mint" as I've seen, have been tempted to open this puppy many times, rather, I've managed to stick w/ my Marvel Ed.} @ $100
The White Stripes- Elephant (2xLP, Standard Black) @ $24
The White Stripes- Icky Thump (2xLP, Standard Black) {Has splits beginning} @ $22
The White Stripes- The Complete John Peel Sessions (2xLP, LTD., LP White, LP Red) @ $40
7"s/Singles...
Bright Eyes- Lazaretto (7", LTD. RSD17, Standard Black) @ $13
Mae.- Our Love Is A Painted Picture (7", LTD.500, 45RPM, Glow-In-The-Dark Blue) @ $40
Mae.- Our Love Is A Painted Picture (7", LTD.1,000, 45RPM, Clear w/ Gold Splatter) @ $40
Modest Mouse- Too Many Fiestas For Reuben (7", Single, 45RPM, LTD., Transparent Blue) @ $18
Box Sets...
Bob Marley- Exodus (Box Set, 2xLP, LTD.) @ $100
Bright Eyes- Early Years Collection {2003, I believe} (Box Set, 5xLP, LTD.) @ $100
Star Wars: A New Hope w/ Holograph (Box Set, 3xLP, LTD.) {Still In Delivery Box} @ $100
The Voyager Collection (3xLP, Gold Vinyl, LTD., w/ Pin, Slipmat & Some other little extra fun thing that I can't remember for the life of me at the moment) @ [Take A Guess...Seriously...] $100 (Did you guess right?)
Third Man Records Vault Package #32? (Pretty Sure)...you know, the one with A Dead Weather 7" Collectors Box [which believe it or not, fits ALL DEAD WEATHETHIRD MAN 7"!], Dead Weather 7" Single for Three Dollar Hat b/w Lose The Right on Black/Yellow Vinyl, 2x LP "Dead Weather- Live @ The Mayan, LA" on Yellow, and a Live @ The Mayan, LA DVD to boot...it's a nice little package, all sealed... @ [Guess Again?] $75 (Bet you were wrong this time...)
Last but not lease (quite the opposite, significantly most expensive in fact)...
The Ultimate Modest Mouse Box Set!!!- [Just a heads up, it's not a real box set, it's something I created myself as I also do custom box sets, shaped vinyl including bowls, wine racks, business card holders ect., so don't expect much...] Spanning 20 Years Of Modest Mouse from 1995-2015, this set includes...
This Is A Long Drive For Someone With Nothing To Think About (2xLP, Glacial Pace S/E Release, Silver & Black Swirl, LTD.1,000)
The Lonesome Crowded West (2xLP, Glacial Pace S/E Release, Bronze/White Split LP & Seafoam/White Split LP, LTD.500)
The Moon & Antarctica (2xLP, 15 Year Anniversary, Music On Vinyl, Transparent Clear, LTD.500, #500/500)
Sad Sappy Sucker (LP, Mustard Yellow)
Good News For People Who Love Bad News (2xLP, Newbury, Green, LTD.1,000, #116/1,000)
We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank (2xLP, Newbury, Blue/Orange Split, LTD. 1,500?, #18/1,500)
Strangers To Ourselves (2xLP)
The Fruit That Ate Itself (EP, Mint Green)
MM/764-HERO Split- Whenever You See Fit (Split EP, Baby Blue/Pastel Yellow Split, LTD.700) Night On The Sun (Tri, EP)
Everywhere & His Nasty Parlor Trick (EP) Plus, I've finally concluded it with Interstate 8 (EP, Blue)
That ends up being 7xLP and 5xEP set...
Additionally, I am working on an upgraded attachment that will include a side box containing "Iron Horse- Pickin' On Modest Mouse, Vitamin String Quartet Performs The Moon & Antarctica and Ugly Casanova in addition...
THEN...with the (hopefully) oh, so generous aide of my favorite bloggers. Ideally I'd even like to top it off with a complete 7" Box Set for completion. I'm only about, oh...ten or so singles away, unfortunately, some of those singles cost a shit ton of money that I don't have)
Here are the pictures if you didn't see my last post: https://ibb.co/album/kzBdWF
Although, if you are remotely interested...I'm quite sure where I'd begin to price this puppy but I'd be more than willing to talk and try and figure something out. Don't sweat the fact that I planned on those side boxes, honestly, I need the money more and it would be a good sized chunk to give to the CF Foundation which would make it all worth it. Plus, hell...I wouldn't feel obligated to do all that additional shit...it would take hours from my workload and allow me to concentrate on my sleep load so seriously...take a stab if you want.
Okay...fuck it...there's more I was planning on but I'm too damn tired to keep contemplating so I'm gonna stick with this and if by chance I don't pass out I'll just edit/update...anyway, thanks everybody.
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Final reason why bananas are good for you

Born of cold and winter air And mountain rain combining. This icy force both foul and fair. Has a frozen heart worth mining. So cut through the heart. Cold and clear. Strike for love and strike for fear. See the beauty sharp and sheer. Split the ice apart And break the frozen heart. - Hup, ho Watch your step. Let it go. Hup, ho Watch your step, Let it go. - Beautiful. - Powerful. - Dangerous. - Cold. Ice has a magic Can't be controlled. Stronger than one. Stronger than ten. Stronger than a hundred men! Oh! Born of cold And winter air And mountain rain combining. This icy force both foul and fair Has a frozen heart worth mining. Cut through the heart. Cold and clear. Strike for love and strike for fear. There's beauty and there's danger here. Split the ice apart. Beware the frozen heart. Come on, Sven. Elsa. Psst! Elsa! Wake up. Wake up. Wake up! Anna, go back to sleep. I just can't. The sky is awake, so I'm awake. So, we have to play. Go play by yourself. Do you want to build a snowman? Come on, come on, come on! Do the magic! Do the magic! Oh... - Ready? - Uh-huh. This is amazing! Watch this! Hi, I'm Olaf, and I like warm hugs. I love you, Olaf! Olaf... Tickle bumps! Oh! Hang on! Catch me! Gotcha! Again! Wait! - Whoo-hoo! - Slow down! Whoo! Anna! Anna! Mama! Papa! No, no... You're okay, Anna. I got you. Elsa, what have you done? This is getting out of hand. It was an accident. I'm sorry, Anna! - Oh. She's ice cold. - I know where we have to go. Ice? Faster, Sven. Sven! Please! Help! It's my daughter. It's the king. - Trolls? - Shush! I'm trying to listen. Cuties. I'm going to keep you. Your Majesty. Born with the powers, or cursed? Born. And they're getting stronger. Here, here. You are lucky it wasn't her heart. The heart is not so easily changed. But the head can be persuaded. Do what you must. I recommend we remove all magic. Even memories of magic, to be safe. But don't worry. I'll leave the fun. She will be okay. But she won't remember I have powers? It's for the best. Listen to me, Elsa. Your power will only grow. There is beauty in it... But also great danger. You must learn to control it. Fear will be your enemy. No! We'll protect her. She can learn to control it. I'm sure. Until then... We'll lock the gates. We'll reduce the staff. We will limit her contact with people, and keep her powers hidden from everyone. Including Anna. Ah. Elsa? Do you wanna build a snowman? Come on, let's go and play. I never see you anymore. Come out the door. It's like you've gone away. We used to be best buddies And now we're not. I wish you would tell me why. Do you wanna build a snowman? It doesn't have to be a snowman. Go away, Anna. Okay, bye The gloves will help. See? Conceal it. Don't feel it. Don't let it show. Do you wanna build a snowman? Or ride our bike around the halls? I think some company is overdue. I've started talking To the pictures on the walls. Hang in there, Joan. It gets a little lonely All these empty rooms. Just watching the hours tick by. I'm scared. It's getting stronger! Getting upset only makes it worse. Calm down. No! Don't touch me! Please, I don't want to hurt you. See you in two weeks! Do you have to go? You'll be fine, Elsa. Your Highness. Elsa? Please, I know you're in there. People are asking where you've been. They say "Have courage" And I'm trying to. I'm right out here for you. Just let me in. We only have each other It's just you and me. What are we gonna do? Do you wanna build a snowman? All ashore! Welcome to Arendelle! Watch your step, please. The gates will be opening soon. Why do I have to wear this? Because the queen has come of age. It's Coronation Day! That's not my fault. What do you want, Sven? "Give me a snack." What's the magic word? "Please." Uh! Uh-uh-uh. Share. I can't believe they're finally opening up the gates! - And for a whole day! - Faster, Percy! Arendelle, our most mysterious trade partner. Open those gates so I may unlock your secrets and exploit your riches. Did I say that out loud? Oh! Me sore eyes can't wait to see the queen and the princess. I bet they are absolutely lovely. I bet they are beautiful. Princess Anna? - Princess Anna? - Huh? Yeah? Oh. Sorry to wake you, ma'am. No, no, no, you didn't. I've been up for hours. Who is it? Still me, ma'am. The gates will open soon. Time to get ready. Of course. Ready for what? Your sister's coronation, ma'am. My sister's corneration. It's Coronation Day! - It's Coronation Day! - Ooh! The window is open! So's that door! I didn't know they did that anymore. Who knew we owned 8,000 salad plates? For years I've roamed these empty halls. Why have a ballroom with no balls? Finally They're opening up the gates! There'll be actual, real, live people. It'll be totally strange. But wow! Am I so ready for this change! 'Cause for the first time in forever. There'll be music. There'll be light. For the first time... In forever... I'll be dancing through the night. Don't know if I'm elated or gassy. But I'm somewhere in that zone. 'Cause for the first time in forever I won't be alone. I can't wait to meet everyone! What if I meet The One? Tonight Imagine me gown and all. Fetchingly draped against the wall. The picture of sophisticated grace. Oh! I suddenly see him standing there. A beautiful stranger. Tall and fair. I wanna stuff some chocolate in my face! But then we laugh and talk all evening. Which is totally bizarre. Nothing like the life I've led so far. For the first time in forever... There'll be magic, There'll be fun. For the first time in forever... I could be noticed by someone. And I know it is totally crazy To dream I'd find romance. But for the first time in forever... At least I've got a chance! Don't let them in. Don't let them see. Be the good girl. You always have to be. Conceal. Don't feel. Put on a show. Make one wrong move And everyone will know. But it's only for today. It's only for today. It's agony to wait. Tell the guards to open up... The gate. The gate. For the first time in forever... Don't let them in, Don't let them see. I'm getting what I'm dreaming of. Be the good girl. You always have to be. A chance to change. My lonely world. Conceal. A chance to find true love. Conceal, don't feel, Don't let them know. I know it all ends tomorrow. So it has to be today! 'Cause for the first time in forever... For the first time... In forever... Nothing's in my way! Hey! I'm so sorry. Are you hurt? Hey. Uh... No, no, I'm okay. Are you sure? Yeah. I just wasn't looking where I was going. But I'm great, actually. Oh... Thank goodness. Oh! Uh... Prince Hans of the Southern Isles. Princess Anna of Arendelle. "Princess"? My Lady. Oh! - Whoa. - Whoa, whoa, whoa... - Um... - Whew. Hi. Again. Oh, boy! This is awkward. Not "You're awkward," but just because we're... I'm awkward, you're gorgeous. Wait, what? I'd like to formally apologize for hitting the princess of Arendelle with my horse. And for every moment after. No! No, no. It's fine. I'm not that princess. I mean, if you had hit my sister Elsa, it would be... Yeesh! Because, you know... Hello. But, lucky you, It's just me. "Just" you? The bells. The coronation. I better go. I have to go. I better go. Uh... Bye! Oh, no. Oh! Your Majesty, the gloves. Queen Elsa of Arendelle. Queen Elsa of Arendelle! Queen Elsa of Arendelle. Princess Anna of Arendelle. Oh. Here? Are you sure? Because I don't think I'm supposed to... Oh. Okay. Hi. "Hi" me? Oh... Um... Hi. You look beautiful. Thank you. You look beautiful-ler. I mean, not "fuller." You don't look fuller. But more beautiful. Thank you. So... This is what a party looks like. It's warmer than I thought. What is that amazing smell? Chocolate. Your Majesty. - The Duke of Weaseltown. - "Weselton"! Duke of Weselton, Your Majesty. As your closest partner in trade it seems only fitting that I offer you your first dance as queen. One-two, and jump. Uh... Thank you. Only, I don't dance. Oh... But my sister does. - What? - Oh! Lucky you. Oh, I don't think... If you swoon, let me know. I'll catch you. Sorry. Like an agile peacock. Ow! Ow. Speaking of, so great to have the gates open. Why did they shut them in the first place? Do you know the reason? Hmm? - No. - No. All right. Hang on! They don't call me the "Little Dipper" for nothing! Oh-ho! Like a chicken with the face of a monkey, I fly. Let me know when you're ready for another round, Milady. Well, he was sprightly. Especially for a man in heels. Are you okay? I've never been better. This is so nice. I wish it could be like this all the time. Me, too. But it can't. - Why not? - It just can't. Excuse me for a minute. I'd be honored. Glad I caught you. Hans. Oop. I often had a whole parlor to myself to slide! - Oh! - Oops! Sorry. Your physique helps, I'm sure, too. Ah. What's this? Uh, I was born with it. Although, I dreamed I was kissed by a troll. I like it. Yeah, the whole thing. You got it. Okay, wait, wait. So, you have how many brothers? Twelve older brothers. Three of them pretended I was invisible, literally, for two years. That's horrible. It's what brothers do. And sisters. Elsa and I were really close when we were little. But then, one day, she just shut me out, and I never knew why. I would never shut you out. Okay, can I just say something crazy? I love crazy. All my life has been A series of doors in my face And then suddenly I bump into you. I was thinking the same thing, because, like... I've been searching my whole life To find my own place And maybe it's the party talking Or the chocolate fondue. But with you... But with you I found my place. I see your face. And it's nothing like I've ever known before. Love is an open... Door! Love is an open. - Door. - Door. Love is an open door. - With you. With you. - With you. With you. Love is an open door. - I mean, it's crazy. - What? - We finish each other's... - Sandwiches. That's what I was gonna say! I've never met someone Who thinks so much like me. Jinx! Jinx again! Our mental synchronization Can have but one explanation. - You. - And I. - Were. - Just. Meant to be... - Say goodbye. - Say goodbye. To the pain of the past. We don't have to feel it anymore. Love is an open door. Love is an open... - Door. - Door. Life can be so much more - With you. With you. - With you. With you. Love is an open... - Door. - Door. Can I say something crazy? Will you marry me? Can I say something even crazier? Yes! - Coming through. - Excuse me. Oh... - Pardon. Sorry. - Oh! Can we just get around you there? Thank you. Oh! There she is. Elsa! I mean, Queen. Me again. Um... May I present Prince Hans of the Southern Isles. Your Majesty. We would like... Uh, your blessing... Of our marriage. - Marriage? - Yes! I'm sorry, I'm confused. Well, we haven't worked out all the details ourselves. We'll need a few days to plan the ceremony. Of course, we'll have soup, roast and ice cream. And then... Wait. Would we live here? - Here? - Absolutely! - Anna! - Oh! We can invite all 12 of your brothers to stay with us. What? No, no, no. - Of course we have the room. - Wait, slow down. No one's brothers are staying here. No one is getting married. Wait, what? May I talk to you, please? Alone. No. Whatever you have to say, you can say to both of us. Fine. You can't marry a man you just met. You can if it's true love. Anna, what do you know about true love? More than you. All you know is how to shut people out. You asked for my blessing, but my answer is no. Now, excuse me. Your Majesty, if I may ease your... No, you may not. And I think you should go. The party is over. Close the gates. - Yes, Your Majesty. - What? Elsa, no, no! Wait. Give me my glove! Elsa, please, please. I can't live like this anymore! Then leave. What did I ever do to you? Enough, Anna. No, why? Why do you shut me out? Why do you shut the world out? What are you so afraid of? I said, enough! Sorcery. I knew there was something dubious going on here. Elsa. There she is! Yes! It is her! Queen Elsa. Our beautiful queen! Your Majesty? Are you all right? No. There she is! Stop her! Please, just stay away from me. Stay away. Monster. Monster! Elsa! Elsa! Wait, please! Elsa, stop! Anna! No. The fjord. - Snow! - Snow? Yes, snow. - Are you all right? - No. Did you know? No. Look, it's snowing. It's snowing! The queen has cursed this land! She must be stopped! You have to go after her. Wait, no! You! ls there sorcery in you, too? Are you a monster, too? No, no. I'm completely ordinary. That's right, she is. In the best way. And my sister is not a monster. She nearly killed me! - You slipped on ice. - Her ice. It was an accident. She was scared. She didn't mean it. She didn't mean any of this. Tonight was my fault. I pushed her. So, I'm the one - that needs to go after her. - What? - Bring me my horse, please. - Anna, no. It's too dangerous. Elsa is not dangerous. I'll bring her back, and I'll make this right. I'm coming with you. No, I need you here to take care of Arendelle. On my honor. I leave Prince Hans in charge. Are you sure you can trust her? I don't want you getting hurt. She's my sister. She would never hurt me. The snow glows white On the mountain tonight. Not a footprint to be seen. A kingdom of isolation And it looks like I'm the queen. The wind is howling Like this swirling storm inside. Couldn't keep it in, Heaven knows I tried. Don't let them in, Don't let them see. Be the good girl, You always have to be. Conceal, don't feel, Don't let them know. Well, now they know. Let it go! Let it go! Can't hold me back anymore. Let it go! Let it go! Turn away and slam the door. I don't care. What they're going to say. Let the storm rage on. The cold never bothered me anyway. It's funny how some distance makes everything seem small, And the fears that once controlled me. Can't get to me at all. It's time to see what I can do To test the limits and break through. No right, no wrong. No rules for me. I'm free! Let it go! Let it go! I am one with the wind and sky. Let it go! Let it go! You'll never see me cry. Here I stand... And here I'll stay. Let the storm rage on. My power flurries through the air Into the ground. My soul is spiraling in frozen fractals All around. And one thought crystallizes Like an icy blast. I'm never going back. The past is in the past. Let it go! Let it go! And I'll rise like the break of dawn. Let it go! Let it go! That perfect girl is gone. Here I stand... In the light of day. Let the storm rage on! The cold never bothered me anyway. Elsa! Elsa! Elsa, it's me, Anna, your sister who didn't mean to make you freeze the summer. I'm sorry. It's all my fault. Of course, none of it would have happened if she had just told me her secret. She's a stinker. Whoa! Oh, no. No, no, no! Come back! No, no, no! Okay. Snow. It had to be snow. She couldn't have had tropical magic that covered the fjords in white sand and warm... Fire! Cold, cold, cold, cold, cold. Ooh. "And sauna"! - Yoo-hoo. - Hmm? Big summer blowout. Half off swimming suits, clogs, and a sun balm of my own invention, yah? Oh. Great. For now, um, how about boots? Winter boots and dresses? That would be in our winter department. Oh. Um... I was just wondering. Has another young woman... The queen perhaps, I don't know, passed through here? The only one crazy enough to be out in this storm is you, dear. You and this fellow. Yoo-hoo. Big summer blowout. Carrots. Huh? Behind you. Oh! Right. Excuse me. Oh. A real howler in July, yes? Wherever could it be coming from? The North Mountain. North Mountain. That will be 40. Forty? No, 10. Oh, dear, that's no good. See, this is from our winter stock, where supply and demand have a big problem. You want to talk about a supply and demand problem? I sell ice for a living. Ooh. That's a rough business to be in right now. I mean, that is really... That's unfortunate. Still 40. But I will throw in a visit to Oaken's sauna. Yoo-hoo. Hi, family. Yoo-hoo! Ten is all I got. Help me out. Okay. Ten will get you this and no more. Okay, just tell me one thing. What was happening on the North Mountain? Did it seem magical? Yes! Now, back up while I deal with this crook, here. What did you call me? Okay, okay. I'm out. Whoa! Bye-bye. No, Sven, I didn't get your carrots. But I did find us a place to sleep. And it's free. I'm sorry about this violence. I will add a quart of lutefisk, so we have good feelings. Just the outfit and the boots, yah? Uh... Reindeers are better than people. Sven, don't you think that's true? "Yeah, people will beat you And curse you and cheat you. Every one of them's bad, except you". Aw. Thanks, buddy. But people smell better than reindeers. Sven, don't you think I'm right? "That's once again true For all, except you". You got me. Let's call it a night. "Good night". Don't let the frostbite... Bite. Nice duet. It's just you. What do you want? I want you to take me up the North Mountain. I don't take people places. Let me rephrase that. Hey. Take me up the North Mountain. Please. Look, I know how to stop this winter. We leave at dawn. And you forgot the carrots for Sven. Oops, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't... We leave now. Right now. Whew! Hang on! We like to go fast. - I like fast. - Whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa... Get your feet down. This is fresh lacquer. Seriously, were you raised in a barn? Ugh! - No, I was raised in a castle. - Hmm. So, uh, tell me, what made the queen go all ice-crazy? Oh. Well... It was all my fault. I got engaged, but then she freaked out, because I'd only just met him, you know, that day. And she said she wouldn't bless the marriage, and... Wait. You got engaged to someone you just met that day? Yeah. Anyway, I got mad, and so she got mad, and then she tried to walk away, and I grabbed her glove... Hang on! You mean to tell me you got engaged to someone you just met that day? Yes. Pay attention. But the thing is, she wore the gloves all the time, so I just thought, maybe she has a thing about dirt. Didn't your parents ever warn you about strangers? Yes, they did. But Hans is not a stranger. Oh, yeah? What's his last name? "Of the Southern Isles." - What's his favorite food? - Sandwiches. - Best friend's name? - Probably John. - Eye color? - Dreamy. - Foot size? - Foot size doesn't matter. Have you had a meal with him yet? What if you hate the way he eats? What if you hate the way he picks his nose? Picks his nose? And eats it. Excuse me, sir. He is a prince. - All men do it. - Ew. Look, it doesn't matter. It's true love. - It doesn't sound like true love. - Are you some sort of love expert? No. But, uh, I have friends who are. You have friends who are love experts? I'm not buying it. - Stop talking. - No, no, no. No, no. - I'd like to meet these... - No, I mean it. Sven, go. Go! - What are they? - Wolves. Wolves? - What do we do? - I got this. You just... Don't fall off, and don't get eaten. But I want to help! - No. - Why not? Because I don't trust your judgment. Excuse me? Who marries a man she just met? It's true love! Whoa! Whoa. Whoa! Christopher! It's "Kristoff"! Ow! Duck! You almost set me on fire! But I didn't. Get ready to jump, Sven! You don't tell him what to do. - Hey! - I do! Jump, Sven! Phew! But I just paid it off. Uh-oh. No. No. No! Ah! No, no, no, no, no, no, no! Grab on! Pull, Sven. Pull! Whoa. I'll replace your sled, and everything in it. And I understand if you don't want to help me anymore. Of course I don't want to help her anymore. In fact, this whole thing has ruined me for helping anyone ever again. It's this way? "She'll die on her own." - I can live with that. - Here we go. "But you won't get your new sled if she's dead." I think, actually, it's up. Sometimes, I really don't like you. Hold up! We're coming. You are? I mean, sure. I'll let you tag along. Arendelle. It's completely frozen. But it will be fine. Elsa will thaw it. Will she? Yeah. Now, come on. This way to the North Mountain? More like this way. I never knew winter could be so beautiful. Yeah. It really is beautiful, isn't it? But it's so white. You know, how about a little color? I'm thinking maybe some crimson, chartreuse. How about yellow? No, not yellow. Yellow and snow? No go. Am I right? - Hi. - You're creepy. - Whoa! - I don't want it. - Back at you. - Please don't drop me. - No. - Come on, it's just a head. All right. We got off to a bad start. Ew, ew, ew, the body! Wait, what am I looking at right now? Why are you hanging off the earth like a bat? All right, wait one second. Oh. Uh... Oh! - Thank you. - You're welcome. Now, I'm perfect. Well, almost. It was like my whole life got turned upside down. Oh! Too hard. I'm sorry! - Head rush! - I was just... Are you okay? Are you kidding me? I am wonderful! I've always wanted a nose. So cute. It's like a little baby unicorn. But... Hey! Whoa! Oh. I love it even more. All right, let's start this thing over. Hi, everyone. I'm Olaf. And I like warm hugs. Olaf? That's right. Olaf. And you are? Oh. Um... I'm Anna. And who's the funky-looking donkey over there? - That's Sven. - Uh-huh. And who's the reindeer? Sven. Oh, the... Oh. Okay. That makes things easier for me. Aw, look at him trying to kiss my nose. - I like you, too. - Olaf. - Did Elsa build you? - Yeah. Why? Do you know where she is? - Fascinating. - Yeah. Why? Do you think you could show us the way? Yeah. Why? How does this work? Ow! Stop it, Sven. I'm trying to focus, here. - Yeah. Why? - I'll tell you why. We need Elsa to bring back summer. - Summer? - Mmm-hmm. Oh. I don't know why, but I've always loved the idea of summer. And sun, and all things hot. Really? I'm guessing you don't have much experience with heat. Nope. But sometimes I like to close my eyes, and imagine what it would be like when summer does come. Bees will buzz, Kids will blow dandelion fuzz And I'll be doing Whatever snow does in summer. A drink in my hand. My snow up against the burning sand. Probably getting gorgeously tanned. In summer. I'll finally see a summer breeze. Blow away a winter storm. And find out what happens to solid water... When it gets warm. And I can't wait to see. What my buddies all think of me. Just imagine how much cooler I'll be. In summer! The hot and the cold are both so intense. Put them together It just makes sense. Winter's a good time To stay in and cuddle. But put me in summer and I'll be a... Happy snowman! When life gets rough. I like to hold on to my dream. Relaxing in the summer sun Just letting off steam. Oh, the sky... Will be blue... And you guys will be there, too. When I finally do What frozen things do In summer! - I'm gonna tell him. - Don't you dare. In summer! So, come on! Elsa's this way. Let's go bring back summer! I'm coming! Somebody's gotta tell him. No, no. You've got the bark facing down. The bark needs to be face-up. - Bark down is drier. - Bark up! - Bark down! - Papa! Cloak? Does anyone need a cloak? Arendelle is indebted to you, Your Highness. The castle is open. There is soup and hot glogg in the great hall. Here, pass these out. Prince Hans! Are we expected to just sit here and freeze while you give away all of Arendelle's tradable goods? Princess Anna has given her orders. And that's another thing! Has it dawned on you that your princess may be conspiring with a wicked sorceress to destroy us all? Do not question the princess. She left me in charge and I will not hesitate to protect Arendelle from treason. Treason? Whoa! Whoa! Whoa, boy. Easy. Easy. It's Princess Anna's horse. So, where is the princess? - Where could she be? - Where is she? Princess Anna is in trouble. I need volunteers to go with me to find her. - I'll go. - I volunteer. I volunteer two men, My Lord. Be prepared for anything. And should you encounter the queen, you are to put an end to this winter. - Do you understand? - Hmm. So, how exactly are you planning to stop this weather? Oh. I am gonna talk to my sister. That's your plan? My ice business is riding on you talking to your sister? Yep. So, you're not at all afraid of her? - Why would I be? - Yeah. I bet she's the nicest, gentlest, warmest person ever. Oh. Look at that. I've been impaled. What now? Mmm... It's too steep. I've only got one rope and you don't know how to climb mountains. Says who? Hmm? What are you doing? I'm going to see my sister. You're gonna kill yourself. I wouldn't put my foot there. - You're distracting me. - Or there. How do you know Elsa even wants to see you? All right. I'm just blocking you out because I gotta concentrate, here. You know, most people who disappear into the mountains want to be alone. Nobody wants to be alone. Except maybe you. I'm not alone. I have friends, remember? You mean, the love experts? Yes, the love experts. Ah... Please tell me I'm almost there. Does the air seem a bit thin to you up here? Hang on. Hey, Sven? Not sure if this is gonna solve the problem, but I found a staircase that leads exactly where you wanted to go. Ha-ha! Thank goodness. Catch! Thanks. That was like a crazy trust exercise. Whoa. Now, that's ice. I might cry. Go ahead. I won't judge. All right, take it easy, boy. Come here. I got you. Okay. You stay right here, buddy. Flawless. Knock. Just knock. Why isn't she knocking? Do you think she knows how to knock? Huh. It opened. That's a first. Oh. You should probably wait out here. - What? - The last time I introduced her to a guy, she froze everything. But, but... Oh, come on! It's a palace made of ice. Ice is my life! Bye, Sven. You, too, Olaf. - Me? - Just give us a minute. Okay. One, two, - three... - Four... Whoa. Elsa? It's me, Anna. Anna. Whoa. Elsa, you look different. It's a good different. And this place... It's amazing. Thank you. I never knew what I was capable of. I'm so sorry about what happened. If I'd have known... No, no, no. It's okay. You don't have to apologize, but you should probably go. Please. But I just got here. You belong down in Arendelle. So do you. No, Anna, I belong here. Alone. Where I can be who I am without hurting anybody. Actually, about that... - Sixty! - Wait. What is that? Hi! I'm Olaf and I like warm hugs! Olaf? Yeah. You built me. Remember that? And you're alive? Um... I think so. He's just like the one we built as kids. Yeah. Elsa, we were so close. We can be like that again. - Catch me! - Slow down! Anna! No. We can't. Goodbye, Anna. Elsa, wait. No, I'm just trying to protect you. You don't have to protect me. I'm not afraid. Please don't shut me out again. Please don't slam the door. You don't have to keep Your distance anymore. 'Cause for the first time in forever... I finally understand. For the first time in forever... We can fix this hand in hand. We can head down this mountain together. You don't have to live in fear. 'Cause for the first time in forever... I will be right here. Anna. Please go back home. Your life awaits. Go enjoy the sun And open up the gates. - Yeah, but... - I know. You mean well But leave me be. Yes, I'm alone. But I'm alone and free. Just stay away And you'll be safe from me. Actually, we're not. What do you mean, you're not? I get the feeling you don't know. What do I not know? Arendelle's in deep, deep, deep... Deep snow. What? You kind of set off an eternal winter everywhere. Everywhere? Well, it's okay, you can just unfreeze it. No, I can't. I don't know how. Sure you can. I know you can. 'Cause for the first time in forever... Oh, I'm such a fool! I can't be free! You don't have to be afraid. No escape from the storm inside of me. We can work this out together. I can't control the curse! We'll reverse the storm you've made. Anna, please you'll only make it worse! - Don't panic. - There's so much fear! We'll make the sun shine bright. You're not safe here! We can face this thing together. No! We can change this winter weather. And everything will be all right. I can't! Anna! Are you okay? I'm okay. I'm fine. Who's this? Wait, it doesn't matter. Just... You have to go. No, I know we can figure this out together. How? What power do you have to stop this winter? To stop me? Anna, I think we should go. No, I'm not leaving without you, Elsa. Yes, you are. Stop! Put us down! Go away. Heads up! Watch out for my butt! It is not nice to throw people! Whoa, whoa, whoa, feisty-pants. Okay, relax. - Just calm down! Calm down! - Okay! All right! - I'm okay. - Just let the snowman be. - I'm calm. - Great. Oh! Come on! Oh. Look, see? Now, you made him mad. I'll distract him. You guys go. No, no! Not you guys! This just got a whole lot harder. Look out! Run! Run! What are you doing? I got him! Whoa! Stop! It's a 100-foot drop. It's 200. Ow! - What's that for? - I'm digging a snow anchor. Okay. What if we fall? There's 20 feet of fresh powder down there. It'll be like landing on a pillow. Hopefully. Okay, Anna. On three. - Okay. - One... You tell me when. I'm ready to go. - Two... - I was born ready! Yes! Calm down. Tree! What the... Whoa! That happened. Man, am I out of shape. There we go. Hey, Anna! Sven! Where did you guys go? We totally lost Marshmallow back there. Hey! We were just talking about you. All good things, all good things. No! This is not making much of a difference, is it? Olaf! Hang in there, guys! Go. Go faster! - Wait, what? - Hey! Ow! Kristoff! Don't come back! We won't. Hey, you were right. Just like a pillow. Olaf! I can't feel my legs! I can't feel my legs! - Those are my legs. - Ooh! Hey, do me a favor, grab my butt. Oh. That feels better. Hey, Sven! He found us. Who's my cute little reindeer? Don't talk to him like that. You're tickling me. Here. Whoa! Are you okay? Thank you. - How's your head? - Ah! Ooh! It's fine. Uh... Uh, I'm good. I've got a thick skull. I don't have a skull. Or bones. So, uh... So, now what? Now what? Now what? Oh... What am I gonna do? She threw me out. I can't go back to Arendelle with the weather like this. And then there's your ice business. Hey, hey. Don't worry about my ice business. - Worry about your hair! - What? I just fell off a cliff. You should see your hair. No, yours is turning white. White? It's... What? It's because she struck you, isn't it? Does it look bad? - No. - You hesitated. No, I didn't. Anna, you need help, okay? Come on. Okay! Where are we going? To see my friends. The love experts? - Love experts? - Uh-huh. And don't worry, they'll be able to fix this. How do you know? Because I've seen them do it before. I like to consider myself a love expert. Get it together. Control it. Don't feel. Don't feel. Don't feel. Don't feel! Look, Sven, the sky is awake. - Are you cold? - A little. Uh... Wait. Come here. Huh? Ooh. So, uh, about my friends. Well... I say "friends"... They're more like family. Anyway, when I was a kid, it was just me and Sven. Until they, you know, kinda took us in. - They did? - Yeah. I don't want to scare you. They can be a little inappropriate and loud. Very loud. They are also stubborn at times, and a little overbearing. And heavy. Really, really, heavy. But you'll get it. They mean well. Kristoff, they sound wonderful. Okay, then. Meet my family. Hey, guys. They're rocks. You are a sight for sore eyes. He's crazy. Rocko's looking sharp, as usual. Clay, whoa... I don't even recognize you. You lost so much weight. I'll distract him while you run. Hi, Sven's family! It's nice to meet you. Because I love you, Anna, I insist you run. I understand you're love experts. Ooh! Why aren't you running? Uh... Okay. Well, I'm gonna go. - Go. - No, no, no. Anna, wait. Kristoff! Whoa! Hey! Kristoff's home! - Kristoff's here! - Kristoff's home! - Wait, "Kristoff"? - Uh-huh. Ah, let me look at you. Take off your clothes, I wash them. No! No, I'm going to keep my clothes on. Look, it's great to see you all, but where's Granpabbie? He's napping. But look, I grew a mushroom. - I... - I earned my fire crystal. I passed a kidney stone. Kristoff, pick me up. You're getting big. Good for you. Trolls. They're trolls! He's brought a girl! A girl! - Whoa! - Is that a real girl? She's like a little cupcake. What's going on? I've learned to just roll with it. Let me see. Bright eyes, working nose, strong teeth! Yes, yes. She'll do nicely for our Kristoff. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, um, no. - No. - You've got the wrong idea. No. That's not why I brought her here. Right. We're not... I'm not... What's the issue, dear? Why are you holding back from such a man? Is it the clumpy way he walks? - What? - Or the grumpy way he talks? - Oh, no. - Or the pear-shaped, square-shaped Weirdness of his feet? Hey! And though we know he washes well. He always ends up sort of smelly. But you'll never meet a fella Who's as sensitive and sweet. That's nice, but... So, he's a bit of a fixer-upper. - Whoa, whoa, whoa... - So, he's got a few flaws Like his peculiar brain, dear. His thing with the reindeer. That's a little outside of nature's laws. This is not about me! So, he's a bit of a fixer-upper. But this we're certain of. You can fix this fixer-upper up. - With a little bit of love. - Um... Can we please just stop talking about this? We've got a real, actual problem, here. I'll say. So, tell me, dear... Is it the way that he runs scared? Or that he's socially impaired? Or that he only likes To tinkle in the woods? I did not need to know that. Are you holding back your fondness Due to his unmanly blondness? Or the way he covers up That he's the honest goods? He's just a bit of a fixer-upper. He's got a couple of bugs. - No, I don't! - His isolation is confirmation - Of his desperation for healing hugs. - Aw. So, he's a bit of a fixer-upper. But we know what to do. The way to fix up this fixer-upper. Is to fix him up with you. Whoa! Stop it, stop it, stop it! Enough! She is engaged to someone else, okay? So, she's a bit of a fixer-upper. That's a minor thing. Her quote "engagement" Is a flex arrangement. And by the way, I don't see no ring. So, she's a bit of a fixer-upper. - Hey! Whoa, watch it! - Her brain's a bit betwixt. Get the fiance out of the way And the whole thing will be fixed. We're not saying you can change him 'Cause people don't really change. We're only saying that love's a force. That's powerful and strange. People make bad choices If they're mad or scared or stressed. But throw a little love their way. Throw a little love their way And you'll bring out their best. True love brings out the best. Everyone's a bit of a fixer-upper. That's what it's all about. - Father! - Sister! - Brother! - We need each other to raise us up And round us out. Everyone's a bit of a fixer-upper. But when push comes to shove. The only fixer-upper fixer That can fix a fixer-upper is... True, true... True... Love! Love, love, love. Love. True love. True... Do you, Anna, take Kristoff to be your trollfully wedded... - Wait, what? - You're getting married. Love! Anna? She's as cold as ice. There is strange magic here. - Granpabbie. - Come, come. Bring her here to me. Anna, your life is in danger. There is ice in your heart put there by your sister. If not removed, to solid ice will you freeze, forever. What? No. But you can remove it, right? I cannot I'm sorry, Kristoff. If it was her head, that would be easy. But only an act of true love can thaw a frozen heart. An act of true love? A true love's kiss, perhaps? - Something's wrong. - Are you all right? Anna, we've got to get you back to Hans. Hans. Pull us out, Sven. Olaf, come on! I'm coming! Let's go kiss Hans! Who is this Hans? We are here to find Princess Anna. Be on guard, but no harm is to come to the queen. Do you understand? Yes, Your Grace. The queen. Go, go! Come on! There! Up there! Come on! We got her. No. Please. Go around. Toss it. Stay away! Look out! Fire! Fire! Get her! Ah! Come on! Grab his arm. Aim... This way, this way! Whoa! Queen Elsa! Don't be the monster they fear you are. Oh, no. What have... What have I done? Why did you bring me here? I couldn't just let them kill you. But I'm a danger to Arendelle. Get Anna. Anna has not returned. If you would just stop the winter. Bring back summer, please. Don't you see? I can't. You have to tell them to let me go. I will do what I can. Just hang in there. Come on, buddy, faster! Oh, boy! Whoa! I'll meet you guys at the castle! Stay out of sight, Olaf. I will! - Hello! - It's alive! It's Princess Anna! Are you gonna be okay? Don't worry about me. Anna! - You had us worried sick. - My Lady. Get her warm. And find Prince Hans, immediately. We will. Thank you. Make sure she's safe. Oh, you poor girl, you're freezing. Oh, let's get you inside now and get you warm. I'm going back out to look for Princess Anna. You cannot risk going out there again. If anything happens to her... If anything happens to the princess, you are all Arendelle has left. He's in here. Prince Hans. Anna. You're so cold. - Hans, you have to kiss me. - What? - Now! Now! - Slow down. We'll give you two some privacy. What happened out there? Elsa struck me with her powers. You said she would never hurt you. I was wrong. Anna. She froze my heart, and only an act of true love can save me. A true love's kiss. Oh, Anna. If only there was someone out there who loved you. What? You said you did. As thirteenth in line in my own kingdom, I didn't stand a chance. I knew I would have to marry into the throne somewhere. What... What are you talking about? As heir, Elsa was preferable, of course. But no one was getting anywhere with her. - But you... - Hans! You were so desperate for love, you were willing to marry me just like that. I figured after we married, I would have to stage a little accident for Elsa. - Hans! - No. Stop. But then, she doomed herself, and you were dumb enough to go after her. Please. All that's left now is to kill Elsa, and bring back summer. You're no match for Elsa. No, you're no match for Elsa. I, on the other hand, am the hero who is going to save Arendelle from destruction. You won't get away with this. Oh... I already have. Please, somebody, help. Please. Please. It's getting colder by the minute. If we don't do something soon, we'll all freeze to death. Prince Hans. Princess Anna is... Dead. What? What happened to her? She was killed. By Queen Elsa. No! Her own sister. At least we got to say our marriage vows before she died in my arms. There can be no doubt now. Queen Elsa is a monster, and we are all in grave danger. Prince Hans, Arendelle looks to you. With a heavy heart, I charge Queen Elsa of Arendelle with treason. And sentence her to death. Hurry up! She's dangerous. - Move quickly. - Careful. - It won't open! - It's frozen shut. Put your back into it! Come on! Push! What is it, buddy? Hey, watch it. What's wrong with you? I don't understand you when you talk like that. Stop it! Put me down! No, Sven! We're not going back. She's with her true love. What the... Anna! Come on! Come on, boy. Help. Anna! Oh, no. Olaf? Olaf. Get away from there. Wow! So, this is heat. I love it. Ooh! But don't touch it. So, where's Hans? What happened to your kiss? I was wrong about him. It wasn't true love. But we ran all the way here. Please, Olaf, you can't stay here. You'll melt. I am not leaving here until we find some other act of true love to save you. Do you happen to have any ideas? I don't even know what love is. That's okay, I do. Love is putting someone else's needs before yours. Like, you know, how Kristoff brought you back here to Hans and left you forever. Kristoff loves me? Wow, you really don't know anything about love, do you? Olaf, you're melting. Some people are worth melting for. Just maybe not right this second. Don't worry, I've got it. We're gonna get through... Oh, wait. Hang on, I'm getting something. It's Kristoff and Sven! They're coming back this way. They... They are? Wow! He's really moving fast. I guess I was wrong. I guess Kristoff doesn't love you enough to leave you behind. Help me up, Olaf. Please. No, no, no! You need to stay by the fire and keep warm. I need to get to Kristoff. Why? Oh, I know why! There's your act of true love right there! Riding across the fjords like a valiant, pungent reindeer king! Come on! Look out! Oh! Uh... Back this way. We're trapped. Oh... Whoa! Slide, Anna! We made it! Go, go, go, go, go, go, go! Come on, buddy, faster. Kristoff! Keep going! Kristoff! Come on! No. Whoa! Whoa! Sven... Sven! Good boy. Kristoff. - Kristoff... - Anna... Anna! Elsa! You can't run from this! Just take care of my sister. Your sister? She returned from the mountain weak and cold. She said that you froze her heart. No. I tried to save her, but it was too late. Her skin was ice. Her hair turned white. Your sister is dead. Because of you. No. Kristoff. Anna! Elsa? No! Anna! Oh. Anna! No, no! Please, no. Anna? Anna? Oh, Elsa. You sacrificed yourself for me? I love you. "An act of true love will thaw a frozen heart." "Love will thaw." Love. Of course. Elsa? Love! I knew you could do it. Hands down, this is the best day of my life. And, quite possibly, the last. Oh, Olaf! Hang on, little guy. Oh, Oh, Oh! My own personal flurry! Uh-uh-uh-uh. Anna? But she froze your heart. The only frozen heart around here is yours. Wonderful! Setting course, sir. I will return this scoundrel to his country. We shall see what his 12 big brothers think of his behavior. Arendelle thanks you, milord. This is unacceptable. I am a victim of fear. I've been traumatized. Ah! My neck hurts. Is there a doctor that I could see? And I demand to see the queen! Oh. I have a message from the queen. "Arendelle will henceforth and forever no longer do business of any sort with Weaseltown." "Weselton." - It's Weselton! - Let's go. Come on, come on, come on! Okay, okay, here I come. - Pole! - Whoops! Sorry. Okay, Okay. Here we are. Oh! I owe you a sled. - Are you serious? - Yes! And it's the latest model. No, I can't accept this. You have to. No returns. No exchanges. Queen's orders. She's named you the Official Arendelle Ice Master and Deliverer. - What? That's not a thing. - Oh, sure it is. And it even has a cup holder. Do you like it? Like it? I love it! Whoa. I could kiss you! I could. I mean, I'd like to. I'd... May I? We me. I mean, may we? Wait, what? We may. Mmm. Summer! Ooh... Hello. Are you ready? Ice! Ooh! Whoo-hoo... Swing me. Ooh... I like the open gates. We are never closing them again. Oh, Elsa, they're beautiful, but you know I don't skate. Come on! You can do it! Look out. Reindeer coming through. I got it, I got it. I don't got it, I don't got it. Hey, guys! That's it, Olaf. Glide and pivot. And glide and pivot. Go. If you find my free work useful, consider buying me a coffee please.... Oh! If you find my free work useful, consider buying me a coffee please.... Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie\_script.php?movie=frozen\-2013&\_sm\_byp=iVVS4Hjkq4nZQpPj
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[Table] IAmA business school professor and former Fed & White House economist. AMA!

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The protestors in the other IAmA are catching a lot of shit for saying the minimum wage should be $15.00. What do you think the minimum wage should be? On the questions of what the minimum wage should be and what the effect would be on fast food industry... We are having the conversation about minimum wage for two reasons: First, the level of income, and second the disparity of income. A 40 hour minimum wage job puts a single person at about $15000 per year, about 1/3 of what the median household income. At least as important, though, is the widening income disparity between the top and bottom of the income distribution. Increasing the minimum wage will help increase the level, and will move but will do little, really, to change the overall distribution. I suspect that the minimum wage will never be the 'living wage' that some wish it would be.
Also, what is your favorite Christmas song? On the Christmas Song (the easier question): Deck the Halls.
With the current US debt topping $17 trillion, is it inevitable that we are destined to follow in Greece's footsteps? If not, what steps do we have to take to avoid Greece's fate? The key to avoiding becoming Greece is to keep innovating (note the thread below on falling R&D.. .which is not the way to go). Debt is not an issue so long as the capacity of the economy to repay the obligations is rising... this is why innovation is important.
Hello Mrs. Mann, Wouldn't you agree that then we (the people) should encourage our government to fund science, technology as the driving force of our economy? Government funding of basic research, including through academic institutions, is catalytic to private sector R&D.. so yes.
I like how you cite innovation as crucial to avoiding the fate of Greece while dismissing truly astounding innovation as "only moderately good." Not sure what the quotes apply to?
Of course, nourishment from the parasite is crucial to the growth of the host. It makes so much sense now. Thanks Doc! Symbiosis, not parasitic.
Dr. Mann, I'm not one for economics and the like, so I'll ask a fun question. Why choose? Watch it on both holidays.
With the holiday season quickly approaching, do you think Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas is a Christmas movie or a Halloween movie? I just can't seem to figure it out. See this link for more: Link to macroblog.typepad.com
Also, how do you feel about notable decreased spending in the sciences that has become the norm in the US? As a chemist, I've noticed a decreasing size of proverbial "pie" going around, especially with government funding. Federal funding cuts on account of sequestration. Private R&D is now more important, but over the last 5 years, has been falling due to recession/slow recovery. Smart firms are spending money on innovating (the R in R&D), but most firms are waiting for demand to materialize (why do any of the D in R&D if there is no demand?).
What are your thoughts on BitCoin? Don't buy now! In some respects like any asset (price goes up and down). In some respects like gold (mined, anonymous). But, not clear about its long-term value... will a broad class of economic players want it? In terms of BitCoin as money'-- money has three uses: unit of account, means of exchange, store of value. Bitcoin is only moderately good at any of these.
Hi Prof Mann..I took your Intl Finance class few years back. I was grateful to learn from a real world economist rather than textbook economists. Hope all is well! Q. What do you think about the massive bubble in the US stocks ? Looks like there will be a sharp drop once the Fed pulls out of QE. How will that affect the Main Street? Good to hear from you... hope you are doing something fun. Main St has not generally gained all that much from the last couple of rounds of QE -- bank credit remains sluggish, and most Main Street individuals do not own a lot of stocks: See NYtimes Economix:Link to economix.blogs.nytimes.com
What is the biggest misconception about the national economy you see on a regular basis? That the budget deficit at zero should be the objective.
Hi there! It's Kathryn Peyton. Hope you are well. John Hussman says QE is a cheap parlor trick. What do you think? Are we ever going to have interest rates again? If not, what happens to pensions? Hi Kathryn, QE is not a parlor trick, more like a ponzi scheme for the equity market (see other thread on asset bubbles), and for the hedge funds that are trading US Treasuries in the CFCs (Caymans). The best way to get to positive interest rates would be for the Washington policy crowd to stop back-biting. Simply reducing the uncertainty and vitriol would enable consumers and business to go about what they should be doing, and positive economic news would llow the Fed to remove the exceptional policy.
Having worked at both the Fed and the WH, how much influence do you believe the President has over the economy? Congress writes legislation and passes the budget (or used to... they haven't done either recently), which gives the President less power than it might seem.
How should the U.S. government address the increasing income disparity, if at all? Income disparity is partly on account of policy choices, therefore, different policy choices would lead to a different distribution of income... the current distribution of income is not in the best interests of the US economy as a whole.
Do you believe the regulations enacted after the Great Recession will prevent a similar collapse in the future? Dodd-Frank is not Glass-Stegall... Financial institutions have a great ability to arbitrage rules. With that many rules there are that many arbitrage opportunities.
Then what is or should be the economic role of the President? President proposals are big think.
What kind of income distribution would you like to see and what policy choices would get us there? Income distribution of the 70's-90's was different... and over the whole decades, economy grew faster.
Then do you believe we should deregulate the financial industry? No, I don't believe we should further deregulate. My point is that very complex set of rules and regulations is unlikely to achieve the objective of a transparent and safer financial system.
They get criticized by some as "horrible, oppressive, gender-biased, and a tool to protect for the Western elite.". Do you reject these? On Prebisch-Singer (that manufactured goods prices rise relative to commodity prices over time): the empirical evidence for the long-term is pretty clear.. you want to be in manufacturing (or actually services these day...see Balassa-Samuelson). However, there can be relatively long periods (a decade) where P-S does not hold. Can a resource-rich country use that period of time to diversify is production away from the single resource, so that when P-S holds again the country has sufficient support for a broad-based development?
Do you think that it is possible for the government to identify asset bubbles? If so, do you think the government ought to take an active role in deflating/popping/counteracting asset bubbles? A number of years ago (before the financial crisis), I was at the Jackson Hole Central Bank fest. At that time, other policymakers (esp. Japan) focused on how to pop asset bubbles because they had learned that they did not have the capacity to 'clean up the mess'. The US policymakers preferred to allow the bubble to proceed because of the potential upside of the bubble (funding new ideas), and there was the belief that we could clean up any mess (and we had done pretty much OK following the 2001 tech bubble).
How can the Fed "manage an economy in which the zero nominal interest rate is a chronic and systemic inhibitor of economic activities, holding our economies back below their potential"? Larry's thesis focuses on the interest elasticity of business investment, whereas these days more important is the consumer demand elasticity of business investment. I suggest that we need to rethink the role for bank credit and how that might be related to consumer demand. The lower interest rate helps the large and global to borrow (which they have done to pay dividends and buy back stock), but not to hire workers and create consumer demand. The lower interest rate has not helped small local firms because banks won't lend to them. Therefore, no credit, no hiring, no consumer demand. Creating positive feedback loop at the small local level could support a broader based recovery... but this is not based on low interest rates, but on availability of bank credit.
Do you see the business scape changing? What new opportunities and challenges will MBAs or finance grads face in the next 5-10 years? Are your students' pursuits different than pre-recession grads? Numbers numbers numbers... Look into big data, marketing, and any type of structural analytical thinking.
Prof. Mann, what's your thought on China's banking system? Can I say that it sacrifices efficiency for the sake of stability? Chinese banking sacrifices efficiency and is headed toward sacrificing stability.
What are your thoughts on a Universal Basic Income in the US? Specifically: Do you think it would be a net positive to the US economy and how soon and how difficult do you think it would be for this country to enact such a policy? Switzerland in October voted in this direction. US is not likely ever to do so.
Zero interest rates for nearly a decade? Quadrupling the money supply in a few short years? Financing 70% of gigantic US federal deficits by just adding electronic zeroes to the federal government's accounts at the Fed? Responding to the massive destruction caused by US government-induced asset bubble by re-inflating that same asset bubble and inflating several other simultaneous asset bubbles? This can't possibly end well, can it? I think we are trying to end it with a whimper not a bang. But, volatility for sure.
What are your thoughts on offshoring? The work that I am doing now suggests that the globalization of the supply chain (another phrase for off-shoring) is pulling back. In the past, firms only focused on the mean (e.g. average cost) gain to offshoring. Now, they are also focused on sigma (the uncertainty about how long it takes to get product) and well as the black swan event such as Thai floods, Fukasima, Bangladesh factory collapse, and other catastrophic events to both inputs and reputation. So, the mean gain is being reassessed in light of uncertainty and the black swan event... bringing at least some of the activity back home.
What career choice would you advise in a flat world? On careers-- the world is anything but flat. Consumer preferences are becoming more heterogeneous in all dimensions. Think about what your talents to meet heterogeneous demands... these are the new products.
Hi, and thanks for the AMA. With regard to a career that balances policy making and academia, do you have any advice for a new graduate who would like to head down this road, however is not necessarily a prize-winning/scholarship student? Policy-making and academia work well together, especially from a teaching perspective. Policy experience makes for good classroom discussion. Go work in Washington (or wherever your capital is) and then draw some generalizations (e.g. come out of the trenches for a while) and write a blog or set of articles as a start on an academic resume.
Do you have a sense (/guess) about whether the dip after the postwar boom is the new normal or not? Can we get back to sustained and sustainable growth, or was the boom an anomaly? Is this a question about whether 2.25% is the new normal for the US? (Not sure about which post-war time period). This is a normal predicated on the policy set we have now. Change the policy set and I see a burst of business and consumer demand that will support innovation and a virtuous cycle back toward 3%... at least I'm hoping.
China's investment into American sovereign debt leads many to call it 'Chimerica'! How intertwined are these two economies? How much is China's currency war hurting the American exports? Importantly related, but probably less intertwined than most people think. Yes, China owns a lot of US treasuries. But China actually exports more to Europe than to the US at this point.
Professor, I go to Bentley University just on the other side of town. Thanks for doing an AMA. I was wondering what your thoughts are the governments decision to subsidize green technology companies, such as Tesla, which until recently (Q1 of 2013 for Tesla) have been unable to produce any profit? Will these subsidies be effective you think in promoting green technology and eventually leading to a change at the industry level? Research into technologies is a better strategy than picking firms that use the technologies... the problem with subsidizing a firm is that the funding is a bet not only on the technology but on the firm's managers. Leave that joint-bet to venture capitalists.
What is your opinion of QE3 and if it is negative, what do you think is a more effective strategy to restart economic growth? What do I think of QE3 -- The objectives of the fed policymakers are stable inflation and low unemployment (what used to be termed sustainable long-term growth). They are operating in an environment where fiscal policy has been severely negative, which pushed them into QE3 and further, led to the non-taper in September. The collateral costs of QE3 (effects on the UST auction market and to cross-border capital flows in UST are significant), as well as the equity price increases (see other thread) are rising relative to the (any) benefits for employment. As for alternatives, purchasing packages of SBA loans (rather than UST and in addition to mortgages would have been an alternative, and might still be the way to go. The issue is that QEs have done little to encourage bank lending (non-auto, non-mtg). The UK Fund for Lending is another approach, although I would prefer an asset-back strategy to direct lending.
Is there any evidence to suggest that productivity improves in times of recession? Productivity: two types... short term and long-term, and labor vs. total factor. In the short-term, labor productivity is pro-cyclical as firms lay off labor (on the way into recession) and do not hire immediately (on the way out of recession).
In the long-term, labor productivity and total factor productivity are positive with economic growth... indeed the foundation for growth... longer term, R&D (we keep coming back to that) complements labor (not all labor, but many types of labor) and is the basic foundation for long-term capacity of the economy to growth (and handle the debt, see the Greece question above.)
Dear Prof. Mann, do you think that the Fed will definitely taper the QE? With your working experience in the Fed, do you see that the Fed ever take into consideration the impact of their policies towards the rest of the world? See above on taper-timing.
Fed does take account of ROW, and increasingly so given the rising role for trade in GDP and capital flows in US investor returns. But, the first attention (and traction for policy) has to be a US focus.
Is it worth it to get an MBA if I'm a computer scientist? And what do you think of the EGADE Business School, in Mexico? One of my former students who is at EMC says she can't hire enough computer scientists who are also business literate, and are data jockeys. Do you know hadoop?
What are the alternatives to monetary and fiscal policies in the US if they dont produce the growth we're expecting it to? Pray?
When you worked for the White House, where did you usually have lunch? Do the President's Council of Economic Advisers actually meet with and advise the President? Do you like sports cars? Lunch -- at desk. Yes meet and advise. sports cars -- drive a 1990 Miata... not clear that classifies as a sports car anymore.
When do you see the fed raising interest rates? Raising interest rate -- a long way off. Tapering to start mid-next year when the Fed does the Humphrey-Hawkins testimony. Don't want to have to discuss tapering at the press conference after the FOMC... that didn't work well last time.
What exactly is the Fed purchasing via quantitative easing, and what will the fallout be when it stops making those purchases? $85 billion a month, about half purchases of UST in the secondary market and about half purchases of mortgage backed securities.
Reducing the amount of such purchases is the so-called taper.
This morning I found out that Americans would have to spend $7 on a gallon of milk because of the inability of congress to reach consensus on yet another bill. What are the economic challenges that the next year will be if the senators still can't play nicely together by the end of December? And, following the holiday spirit, favorite holiday treat? The farm bill is one of those stuck in Congress. Next year will bring more Washington gridlock challenges -- no budget, more $$ of sequestration than last year, and another debt ceiling debate. The folks who are forecasting 3% growth for next year... I don't see how they get to those numbers. Consumption growth revised down this morning. Business investment still barely positive. Export growth revised down. This is not a recipe for 3% in 2014.
Do you think the Federal Reserve is causing issues more than helping? See above.
Professor: What is your opinion for higher skilled worker migrants? What is benefits for the sending country? High skill worker migration can benefit sending country in short-term with returning remittances and in the longer term as a returnee with global skills and contacts.
Do you invest in the stock market? If so what stocks do you have, and why? // If not, how come you dont? I'm not a stock picker.
Hmm let's see.. minimum wage has been in the news recently, do you see a conflict with resolving people's concerns with a livable wage and keeping American industry from leaving the country? (a further exodus in any case) If so, how can the current administration solve that problem at the federal level? Note thread above on why US firms (at least some of them) are rethinking offshoring.
If we did as the protesters are asking and granted all fast food workers a raise to $15/hour, what effect do you think that would have on the fast food industry? See above.
How hard did you laugh at the Trillion Dollar Coin idea? A lot.
How am I supposed to pay for college when all my nightshift money is going towards food and transportation to get to the internship which doesn't even pay me for my labor, despite the fact that my boss is "gonna be rich" because of me? I'd suggest a reevaluation of the internship choice.
Pretty sure we should shoot for a budget surplus, to pay back some of the $17+ trillion that we owe. Better to innovate, and grow out of the debt burden
Hi Professor! Thanks for the A- in your class (I think), hope all is well. Hope you are having fun where ever you are.
...former Fed & White House economist. AMA! I'm sure people will ask you things, but with those credentials you probably don't know any answers. A good discussion on thought process can be useful to arrive at answers...
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[Table] IAmA guy who grew up working on an organic dairy farm, who has become disillusioned with organic farming, AMA

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So my question is--do you think it's possible for an alternative? Somewhere in between? Such as, treat the cow, but while under treatment and for several weeks after, no milk can be harvested? I think it's possible but difficult. A farmer would have to own two different farms, one organic and one not. When cows are young, up to three years old, they don't get sick as easily. If a cow got sick at the organic farm, the farmer would have to treat it with antibiotics and then immediately send it to the regular farm, where having been treated with antibiotics wouldn't be an issue. The cows have to be milked anyway, even if they've been treated, it's just that the milk then has to be dumped for a week. Often it's given to calves, if there are any that haven't been weaned yet.
When you give milk or colostrum with antibiotics in it to a calf, is the calf then deemed non-organic? I guess I'm not sure. That never happened at our farm. In any case, farmers probably wouldn't care. Antibiotics are gone from an animal's system in a week or so, so there's no way to test.
Do people who drink organic milk not take antibiotics? There can't be any antibiotics in milk (or any food products) anyway, because of allergies in some people.
What do you mean by "farmers probably wouldn't care"? Are you saying that a calf that's drunk antibiotics milk usually stays at the organic farm as an organic animal? Thanks! Well, as a rule, farmers with organic farms don't have antibiotic milk because they're not allowed to give their cows antibiotics. This does go on at the regular farms though. I do know that there are definitely organic farmers out there who keep some penicillin on hand to treat their cows, they just keep it in the house so the inspectors don't see it. My dad claims he's sure certain other farmers are doing this, and I see no reason to doubt him.
I know there are many organic farmers that follow organic strictly, but also many like the ones you mentioned that "cheat" the system. For example, I've heard of some organic farmers who also keep non-organic animals not being as careful with segregating the different types of feed. To what extent do you think that the few bad apples in the organic industry give strictly organic farmers a bad name? I don't really think that farmers like the ones in question are a problem. Where I am, the organic farmers are typically small farmers that put their cows out to pasture in the summer. So for at least half the year, the cows are outside, happy, and eating grass. I guess this seems more important than strictly following all the rules. Especially since the big organic farms operate almost exactly like the non-organic ones.
That's horrible. Many people are severely allergic to the penicillin family of antibiotics and you're risking their lives by committing fraud. First off, my dad plays by the rules, but claims that there are other farmers that he suspects do not.
Second, you're ALREADY not allowed to ship milk or meat that is contaminated with antibiotics, organic farm or not. If a farmer accidentally puts penicillin-contaminated milk in his tank, he has to dump the entire tank. Again, whether he's an organic farmer or not. The USDA tests every batch of milk for penicillin, (again, whether it's organic milk or not) so if they find any in a farmer's milk, he gets a really steep fine. After all, they have to throw away not just his milk, but the entire truck.
What I'm describing is a farmer treating a cow with penicillin, waiting a week or two so it's completely gone from her system, then putting her back with the other cows. This is how all the non-organic farmers do it, and no penicillin ever gets in the regular milk if they don't screw up. And if they do screw up, there are already fines and tests in place to penalize them when that happens.
How large was your family farm? How many cows were on the farm? How much feed did the farm provide and how much was purchased? Which state was the farm located? How soon did your parents' farm separate the cows from the calves? What did the farm do with the male calves? How much profit did the farm make per year? How much property taxes does the farm pay? Varied between 10-20 milking cows. More, if you count heifers and dry cows. This is really, really small. I'm guessing we shipped about 1000 pounds of milk a day, which translates to maybe $2000 a week.
We usually provided all our own feed, with the exception of grain. Grain is like dessert for cows, (they go nuts when they're about to get some) although we never gave them much at a time. The grain we got is fortified with vitamins and such that they might not get from their normal food.
Farm is in upstate New York.
The cows and calves are separated after a day or two, depending on whether it's winter or summer. The cows are usually put so they can see their calves, so they don't get too agitated.
Male calves were always sold. Unfortunately, the people that buy them usually buy them for veal, but we never saw that side.
Profit was never very much, but my dad was good at writing off everything so that on paper his income was always under $20,000. I don't know what property tax would be like. I never had to deal with that part.
How much land do they have? How many acres? Like 110 or so. About half of it pasture and half forest.
Do your parents still farm? Have they soured on the organic label as well? Yeah, they still farm. My dad has mechanized his farm a lot more in recent years so it's not quite as much work as it used to be. I don't think my dad has anything against the label, I mean they pay him twice as much as he'd get otherwise. It's just that the rules he has to follow don't always make a lot of sense. I mean, if he could buy urea instead of manure, and was allowed to treat sick cows, it wouldn't effect the quality of his milk at all.
What other farms have you worked on? Have you read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan? Mostly other non-organic dairy farms, although I've picked strawberries, peaches, apples, cherries, and other fruit when it was in season. I've read some of Michael Pollan's New York Times articles, but lately I've been avoiding them because they seem like they're based more on emotions than facts.
Any proven definite advantages to organic farming that you can tell us of? The lack of pesticides and herbicides is the main one. To be totally honest, I don't think they're unsafe for adults at the low concentrations that they're found in food. Young children and pregnant women could be another issue though.
My main problem with organic farming is that it's kind of a scattershot of things that some people want to avoid eating, so it's based on what people are afraid of rather than any evidence.
There is abundant evidence that pesticides contain probably carcinogins, hormone disruptors, neurotoxins, developmental toxins, and honeybee toxins (environmental threat). Yeah, I think there's a lot to be said for reducing or eliminating pesticide use. Although pesticides are definitely less dangerous once you're an adult, they're bound to be more problematic for pregnant women and children.
You don't think organic foods tastes better? Not necessarily, although I don't tend to have a very discriminating taste. I'll eat just about anything.
Carcinogins are cummulative, so if you ingest them over your whole life, you are much more likely to get cancer. To me, that implies there is a long term danger. From my understanding, the most common pesticides aren't carcinogens so much as endocrine disruptors. Thus, they're more likely to interfere with prenatal or childhood development than they are to give you cancer. But I'm sure there's plenty of literature out there.
Don't you need a special permit to sell raw milk? Thanks for doing this AMA, by the way - I just spent two full days working at a dairy farm (non-organic) and learned a lot about dairy/meat farming, but I still have tons of questions about it. It's a fascinating industry. I don't know what the rules are in New York for selling raw milk. I just know that sometimes people will be in the area and want some raw milk and my dad will sell it to them. And I grew up drinking the stuff, which I can't really imagine is bad for me. The main problem is it spoils in 2-3 days, whereas pasteurized milk lasts a lot longer.
Any idea as to what the nutritional difference is between raw and pasteurized milk? None that I'm aware of. Some vitamins can be damaged by heat, but they wouldn't be removed completely. And processed milk is fortified with additional vitamins, so there's that. The main problem with raw milk is that you can, on rare occasions, get sick from it, but I never have.
2-3 days? Really? How does that even work? I grew up drinking raw milk (primarily goats', but also cows') and we often had jars of it that sat in the fridge for a week or two before we used them. The only time we wouldn't use milk is if it had mold or had gone sour, and it took a lot longer than that to reach that point. Am I just unaware of how quickly milk goes bad/don't know what to look for? I guess if I think about it, milk rarely went bad. Because the milk truck came every other day, we'd have fresh milk most of the time. If the milk truck came that morning though, we'd have either no milk or warm cow-temperature milk (no thanks!) depending on whether or not the cows had been milked. After three days or so, the milk would start to look and smell a little funny and my mom would usually use it for baking. But I guess I can't remember it actually spoiling very often.
Would you recommend raw milk, taste-wise? It looks so rich! Also, I've noticed after dumping raw milk out of a bucket that it leaves little white granular particles at the bottom of the bucket. Do you know what this is, and whether you can taste it if you drink raw milk? I've always been curious. Thanks! Not sure, I never saw that before. The only thing different that I know of is that the cream rises to the top and forms a skin. That always grossed me out, but I've heard some people like that.
I agree that just because a farm is organic, doesn't mean it's necessarily more sustainable. Here's a really interesting film that explores a whole new alternative: Link to topdocumentaryfilms.com. Can't watch the video. Us farm-dwellers tend to have really crappy internet connections. ;)
Even given the controversy surrounding it? Dr Vandana Shiva lays out the issues with Golden Rice specifically in this article: Link to online.sfsu.edu. This is a really alarmist, poorly-written article. It uses old data and doesn't even mention the main advantage of golden rice: that it's non-perishable, unlike every other food on his list. One of the main problems with food distribution in developing countries is how quickly food spoils, but rice in general does not.
Non-perishable? How does that compare with regular rice? I really haven't ever had a problem with my rice spoiling? All rice is more or less non-perishable. It's just that golden rice has more vitamins in it. That is, it's a non-perishable vitamin A source.
What is your opinion on synthetic fertilizers? You mentioned that it wouldn't affect the quality of your family's milk if you could use urea rather than manure, which is definitely true. However, have you done any research on the bad effects of nutrient runoff from synthetic fertilizer? Do you think the positives outweigh the negatives there? As far as using synthetic fertilizer, it would be used either way. My dad has to get manure from other farms to use as fertilizer. So those farmers aren't spreading that manure on their fields and are using urea instead. Asked my dad about this yesterday. He claims there's virtually no runoff with grass, because the roots absorb it all. With corn, you're fertilizing a plowed field, so that's where the runoff comes from. Also, with corn, you're fertilizing a field with four times as much fertilizer as you would with grass.
What is your opinion of raw milk? After helping milk cows at a large dairy farm for the first time a few weeks ago, I cringe at the thought of drinking milk straight from the udder, even after it runs through the filter in the milking machine. There are so many contaminants that can get into milk! I've had cow manure splash into my mouth before, so nothing grosses me out anymore. People don't get cow diseases (mad cow notwithstanding, but you don't get that unless you eat their brains) so you just have to keep that in mind all the time.
Also, how is the feed you use for your organic cows different from that fed to non-organic cows? Is there a different percentage of grain vs. silage? Different vitamin/mineral supplements used? The main difference, I think, is that all the feed my dad uses is grass-based, so it doesn't need pesticide or herbicide. The cows only get a small amount of grain every day, but they love it; it's dessert for them, and clearly their favorite part of the day. My dad has had especially smart cows before that would come back in the barn when they weren't supposed to be there and open the grain chute, pouring grain everywhere. He put a latch on the chute though, which has confounded the cows so far. I think the grain is formulated to have all the necessary vitamins and trace minerals in it. It's the only feed my dad buys.
What breed of cows do you have on your farm? The cows are mostly Holsteins, although there are a few Jerseys, and a few half-Jerseys. The calf in the picture is a Jersey. They're smaller and don't milk as much, but they're friendlier.
I'd imagine a raw vegan wouldnt have to worry about these concerns (the sick cow problem), for example what about organic produce farms? any problems of those you know of? Organic produce farms are probably a bit better, from an environmental perspective. I mean, there are no animal welfare issues. However, because produce farms fertilize with manure, their produce is often more susceptible to salmonella or e. coli contamination that you wouldn't get with chemical fertilizer. This is especially true of stuff like lettuce, broccoli, and other stuff that grows on the ground, since you can't exactly keep the "fertilizer" off of it. Organic tree-fruit you probably get the most benefits from, because it grows off the ground and you get the benefit of no pesticides. The only downside of organic tree fruit is that it's often blemished, but it tastes fine. Of course, if you've ever eaten fruit off a tree in someone's yard, you've had organic fruit, so you know how that is.
As far as bacterial contamination, you wouldn't have to worry about that on the fruits and vegetables that you cook though, just the ones you eat raw. Also, with organic produce, sometimes there are bugs in it, but they're not bad for you, just gross.
I've heard it's tough to make a living as a dairy farmer. Why is that? Milk prices are rising in the stores, are farmers getting a cut of that? My friend wants to buy a dairy farm, but I don't think she's thought thru the finances. My dad did this. He had no idea what he was getting into. Dairy farming is really, really, really hard. You have to maintain all your equipment, fix everything that breaks, understand cow problems, maintain your land, and milk your cows twice a day, twelve hours between milkings. You also have to know how much a cow eats, how much feed you'll need for the winter, how much land it takes to grow that feed, how much you need to fertilize that land to get the requisite amount of feed, and how to ensure your feed is high-quality enough for picky cows. If a cow doesn't like the feed you give her, she won't eat as much, and her milk production drops. A lot. And you have to dump all the hay that the cows don't eat.
I think a large part of the reason milk prices are up, at least in the northeast, is that last year was a crappy year for growing feed for the cows. When the feed isn't as good, the cows don't eat as much and don't produce as much. So I think that farmers are getting better milk prices, but they're not producing as much so it kind of evens out.
Another thing you have to consider is the art of making hay. Whenever you see hay on TV or in movies, it's always golden yellow. This is really crappy low-nutrient hay though. It's been bleached by the sun and had most of the vitamins destroyed. Good hay is dry and greenish brown. Of course, you have to be good at predicting the weather, because if hay gets rained on while it's cut, you have to wait even longer for it to dry, and the whole time it's getting bleached even more by the sun.
Despite the hard work, is your dad able to stay afloat? This story on NPR says a lot of small farms are struggling. Yes, but this has a lot to do with the fact that he doesn't have any debt. He used to own a business that is now defunct, but as he lost income from his business, he made up the deficit by expanding his farm and getting into organic milk.
A lot of small farms, probably most, are struggling. It's especially hard with a farm because your overhead costs don't always match up to milk prices in a way that allows you to make money.
Still, there are good aspects of organic farming as well. Other than the money, what's good about it? I guess it's good if you like that sort of thing. Again, I'm kind of disillusioned with it. My dad could support a lot more cows if he grew corn instead of hay, but the system he has seems to work pretty well for him.
If you treat the cow with antibiotics to make it better, why can't you wait it out until the antibiotics are out of its system to use it? Is there some reason the cow is completely compromised? For organic farming, you can't ever use antibiotics on your animals. Technically, an animal is ok for organic production if it hasn't had antibiotics in its system in two years, but that's not practical except if you're in the process of transitioning your herd over to being organic.
But why? Out of principle? Or is there some reason the cow is tainted.. Antibiotics probably don't last in the system that long. I think there's a difference between feeding the antibiotics with food constantly or just using antibiotics when necessary for treating a cow back to proper health. The USDA and FDA set standards for what is allowable in food. But there are people that think that those standards are too low. That's where organic farms come in. Organic farms base their standards on what people are nervous about having in their diets, NOT on scientific evidence. The USDA/FDA standards are the ones based on scientific evidence.
Meat farms would often add antibiotics to their animals' diets to keep them from getting sick, then would cut them off a few weeks before they were slaughtered, so there would be no antibiotics in their systems. The USDA and FDA was ok with this, because there were no antibiotics present in the meat. But the organic food people didn't like this, so they said, animals should have no antibiotics ever, because antibiotics are artificial, and they went against their idea of what constituted organic food. Does that make sense?
Why does organic milk take so long to spoil?? Not sure, I've never actually bought the stuff. Kind of pointless when you have a bulk tank full of it.
As an Environmental Studies/Biology major, I am against organic farming for the belief that only GMO's made to increase yield and chemical fertilizers to feed the populous. This comes with an addition of organic farming statistics which show that it is not any better for a person's health, more sustainable or more supportive local farmers than normal farming practices. So what's your opinion of the USDA? I haven't had to deal with the USDA directly, although the work that they do from my point of view seems pretty necessary. They check milk for quality and common contaminants, and inspect barns and milkhouses to make sure everything is sanitary and operating properly. Also, they check somatic cell count, which is a way of determining how healthy a herd is. Somatic cells are basically white blood cells that end up in milk, and if there are a lot of them, it means that one or more cows have infections.
I tend to buy organic on fruits that absorb pesticides more readily like tomatoes, pears, apples, strawberries, blueberries...etc, and I buy regular for fruits with thick skin like pinapple or hearty like brocolli. Not really sure about pesticides. They're definitely not good for you, but I'm not the one who's studied them. Especially because our farm never used pesticides, since you don't need to with grass. And I've never been involved in spraying fruit trees either.
What are your thoughts on the dangers of pesticides and the amount that the Gov will allow on non-organic fruits? I'm not sure that grass-fed beef is really that much better. It's definitely leaner. Grain is kind of like junk food for cows, they love it, it makes them gain weight faster, and more of the weight they gain is from fat. That extra fat makes the beef tastier and more tender, but also less healthy. I think. Dairy cows have really lean meat anyway.
Also, is grass fed beef and organic chicken really that much better? Chickens are a similar case. Our chickens that spend all day scratching in the dirt for bugs definitely taste different from store chicken, but it's more that they're tougher and more sinewy. I'm not sure that they're much different nutritionally, but they do seem lower in fat.
Is there some sanitary benefits to this though? Such as the prohibition on anti biotic being that a farmer must keep the stalls cleaner and the food good enough to support the cows health and keep it from getting sick in the first place? Possibly. Still, there's only so much you can do, and cows don't stay healthy forever. The older they get, the more susceptible they are to getting sick.
Have you ever considered that it's not organic farming that's overrated but rather the exploitation of animals in our food system? The exploitation of animals is overrated? Not sure what you're trying to say.
I think that the whole phenomenon of industrial farming is an inevitable result of an increase in population combined with people's desire for food that they like. Personally, I love Indian food, which is largely vegetarian. I could live on just that. But I like meat too, and the meat I eat is usually from my parents' farm, so I see no problem with that. There are some areas of the country that are bad for raising crops, but are fine for grazing animals, so I don't think we should give up eating meat entirely, as though that were even a possibility. But yes, cutting down on our meat (and eggs and dairy) consumption is a good idea for our environment.
That seems plausible with what I know about runoff. Care to speculate on whether manuring vs. synthetic fertilizer would make a big difference in a non-dairy setting, like the cornfield you mentioned? Well, where I live, all the corn that's grown is grown for cow feed. They just chop up the entire plant and make silage with it. I mentioned this elsewhere in the comments, but manure can, and often does, add dangerous bacteria to produce. Organic produce makes up a vastly disproportionate number of food poisoning cases, especially with plants that are eaten raw and grow near the ground.
The other thing that farmers in my area are getting into is no-till farming, where they use herbicide to kill weeds, then plant herbicide-resistant crops. This really cuts down on runoff and erosion, but it means using herbicide, which a lot of people don't like.
I understand how hard it would be not to treat a sick animal like that. However, would you say the practices of large-scale non-organic dairy farming is worse? I've been led to believe most such operations are very cruel. To be honest, I'm not really sure. The large-scale farms let their cows move around more, actually. The cows move through a milking parlor, and are then free to walk around once they're out. With the older system that my dad has, the cows are confined in stanchions for half the year, and while they're being milked. They're let out to graze during the summer, which kind of makes up for it, but I can't help but wonder if they wouldn't prefer being able to mill around in a barn like they do in the big farms.
Of course, not many farms use stanchions anymore. The new system is more efficient and has the benefit of giving the cows more mobility.
I thought the cancer rate has skyrocketed over the last hundred years? It's more that we've cured most of the diseases that tend to kill you before cancer does. Heart disease is still the number one killer though.
What country are you from, and do you know if the antibiotic ban is universal? United States. Not sure what the regulations are on organic-labeled food in other countries.
I assume you're from back east. california dairy farmer here. how many cows you milking at the moment? Not many. 16 or so. We're the exception, so small we don't even register as a farm almost.
With regards to the whole disease thing, do you know if it's the same situation in the UK, or are there different regulations there? No idea.
My dream is to open up a farm with cows and horses and chickens one day. I'm applying to vet school, so hopefully I'll be a farmevet and have some awesome shenanigans going on at my farm. Maybe I'll look to you for farming tips in the future!!! Depends on whether you want to make money. If you're interested at all in making money from farming, by all means, stay away from horses. Every horse farm I know of has been run by someone with a day job who just sunk loads and loads of money into their horses, and never was able to make any money from them. Of course, you can buy a horse for really cheap, due to the horse farms constantly going out of business.
If you want to get started with livestock farming, chickens are a good place to start. They're easy and kind of fun, especially if they're a broody variety. Broody varieties raise their own chicks, but don't lay eggs for a good part of the year. The one thing you need to be aware of though, is that if you're in the country, eventually wild animals WILL find your chicken coop and kill a large number of your chickens. Raccoons and possums seem to be the most common, but skunks will go after young chickens, and weasels are the absolute worst. They just bite the heads off and kill as many as they can. You can't really make money off chickens either, unless you have a lot of them, but they are a good way to learn the basics of raising livestock animals, I suppose.
Why can't you just treat the cow, then when the anti-biotics are no longer in it's system, return it to production, assuming it's a milking cow. You can, if you're not an organic farmer. They have different rules for organic farmers.
I doubt it, the American Dietetic Association (now Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics) agrees that vegan diets are safe. There are many vegan athletes out there as well. Vegan diets are safe, true, it's just really hard to get enough protein in your diet without at least milk or eggs. You almost need to hire a dietitian to make sure you're eating properly.
My room mate in college is extremely healthy and Vegan. Its just super important to go to a doctor or nutritionist and be sure you're eating the right types of foods. Also Vegans tend to be some of the happiest, healthiest and sexually virile humans on the planet. I think people that are happy tend to take better care of themselves, and this is a greater factor than their diet actually making them happy. People that are happy and care about their health aren't the types that would subsist on ramen noodles and doritos.
See they demonize raw milk for whatever lame reason they have, but it can actually be beneficial The hormones in pasteurized milk is the reason why 13 year olds look like 20 year olds. Yeah, but milk already has cow hormones in it, whether it's organic or not. BST, the hormone that non-organic farms give cows to increase milk production, does result in more hormones in the milk, but not that much more than would be in it otherwise. Personally, I think that pesticides that mimic human sex hormones are more likely to be responsible for early puberty than anything else.
LOL. Actually pesticides have been linked to increases in cancers, millions of illnesses per year, and greenhouse gases (global warming), so there is evidence. Just cuz you worked on an organic farm doesn't excuse you from doing a simple google/wikipedia search. Which is pretty much what I said. Organic farming combines things that are valid concerns (pesticides) with things that are almost certainly NOT valid concerns (most GMOs, temporarily treating sick animals with antibiotics).
That is, until the Sun shallows the Earth, in which case life EVERYTHING IS DOOMED. AHHHHH. Which is why we need to invest more in space programs. But I guess we have like 5 billion years, so no rush.
Yes. I am one hundred percent positive I would. Regular milk doesn't even have a taste to me. But organic milk has a nice taste to it. It could be that organic farmers often use different breeds of cows that are hardier but don't produce as much. I think I can tell the difference between Jersey and Holstein milk, for instance. Jersey milk seems a bit creamier. But maybe it's just because I know Jersey milk is higher in protein and fat.
I’d almost be willing to bet that your dog is cozying up to that calf so he can get some nice calf shit. I used to catch my dogs eating it from time to time. Link to imgur.com (NSFW)
Sometimes when a treated cow gets really sick, we butcher it ourselves, and share the meat with neighbors. It has low levels of antibiotics in it though, so we can't sell it.
Organic production doesn't necessarily decrease production. Organically grown land can and often is more intensively grown and more productive than non-organic land. It almost always does though. Organic farmers often buy manure from non-organic farms as fertilizer, since that's all they're allowed to use. If they didn't have the other farms to buy manure from, they wouldn't be able to properly fertilize their land.
you're not allowed to treat it with antibiotics, ever. Yeah, I guess I didn't word it quite right, and also I didn't mention that our farm didn't always used to be organic. We switched over around ten years ago. You have to go two years using only organic methods, before the farm can be considered organic. So actually, technically, a cow could be considered organic if she hadn't had antibiotics in two years. But in practice this never happens because farmers only ever milk cows until they're 5-6 years old.
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Do people really just have all that gold lying around their house? Well some do. A lot of people brought in gold from prior relationships and whatnot. A lot was stolen from grandma. I once had a couple come in and sell me their wedding rings off of their fingers. Awkward.
If your beloved family member was about to head to one of those stores to sell some of her jewelry, what would you tell them? I would tell them they are going to get ripped off and to try to find the money ANYWHERE else unless they were just completely desperate.
Is the return at that retailer similar to one of those mail-in gold buyers, or is it at least better than that? Www.moneytalksnews.com/2009/05/25/selling-gold-by-mail-doesnt-pay/ If you average the three discussed, I'd say about the same.
Are you judging people who sell their gold? I sold some broken stuff and odd earrings and I felt paranoid that I was being judged for some reason. Absolutely. I tried not to personally, but we were trained to do so, and our "adjustments" were monitored. If someone looked like a normal individual I would typically give them as much as I could without getting canned, but if someone came in with face tatoos, which was a large portion, we were supposed to undercut them as much as possible. The reasoning was that a lot of the gold we recieved was stolen, and we got pretty much 0% of that money back. It is true that typically the sketchier looking folks sold us the stuff that came back stolen.
How come you got 0% on stolen property - can't you just melt it down? How does anyone it is stolen? We were required to hold items for 30 days and report all sales to an online law enforcement website. We were always offered restitution by the police, but only received about 70$ per 30-40k$ of stolen property as most people who steal gold do not have jobs or money.
I see so many of these places around, but I have never actually seen anyone in them. How many customers would you see in a day? I worked 11 hour shifts and would get anywhere between 0 and 5 customers a day. A good day for me was getting 0 customers and getting to jerk off 2-3 times undisturbed. Most of my shifts were at a store in the mall, however, so I had to settle for shooting heroin in the bathroom.
That escalated quickly. Upvote for Anchorman reference. Subject to revocation if you reveal this is not an Anchorman reference.
Heroin? ಠ_ಠ. Hey man, you try sitting on a stool in the middle of a dying mall for 11 hours a day. It was admittedly a dark time in my life and I'm proud to say I've moved past it.
Also: Visualize masturbating to the sound of old man farts 2 feet away. Heroin's starting to sound pretty good, isn't it?
Shot in the dark: Is there a tattoo parlor, Arby's, and Sears in your mall, with a McDonalds straight across from it and a Walmart straight across the road from the mall and McDonald's? They have store in three malls around here and I don't think that's one of them. They operate mostly in Tennessee if that helps at all.
Do you watch South Park, and have you seen the episode that relates to jewelry pawn shops? If so, to what extent was the episode accurate? Its been a while since I've seen it. We had a sign spinner part of the time, and denied responsibility whenever possible for shit that went wrong. Poor sign spinner. Dude stood outside for 8 hours in the middle of June. Boss told me to let him know if he slowed down at all and to make sure he was working hard. He was allowed two fifteen minute breaks.... I told him to take as many as he needed and had hour long conversations with him because I know I'd feel like I was in hell doing that job.
Whats the actual exchange value that is given to the customer vs. how much the store sells the gold for? Well I would say we gave about 30% of "spot" price, which is the current price of gold. Thing is we very rarely updated our spot and it was always lower than actual value.
Wow, that's awful....was thinking about selling it there once too. Really, your best bet is a pawn shop. They pay you more for the value of the jewelry rather than just the value of the scrap gold.
I actually had a 1oz bar. We would most likely offer you a maximum of $700, which is less than half the value. .999 gold went for a lot more as it could be traded directly. I wish I knew where you could have sold it for market value, but I do not.
Which is ridiculous because you can sell an ounce of gold pretty easily for less than $50 under spot. People are dumb :\ More like desperate. To whom can one sell gold for this price?
What if I said $1200 take it or leave it? Would you be allowed to personally buy it? I would never sell for less than spot in a rising market if I had a bar. I'd probably leave it. I'd call my boss, and anything above a 50% adjustment he probably wouldnt take on any amount of gold. Well, I'll go 60%. Even at 100% adjustment one makes around 75% of spot, so I never understood that system so well.
Did you ever think about offering a small % more and paying them out of your own pocket, then selling the gold somewhere else? My boss wouldn't have allowed it because he wouldn't have made nearly as much money I suppose.
What is the most expensive item your store has ever purchased? Do any customers have interesting stories about why they have to sell their stuff? Does anybody ever try to sell you told painted rocks as a joke? Is the security on the employees very tight? What is the most interesting item your store has purchased? Most of our big buys came from multiple items in one transaction. I personally only paid out about $700 at once. We operated around 19 stores, and I had heard of $6,000 buys. Usually older folks with large gold coin collections. We tested any piece of gold that didn't seem "right". I wouldn't say that anyone ever really joked around with us, but there was definitely a lot of fake shit. I'd say the stories are more sad than interesting. One fellow was a truck driver who needed to money to make the trip to see his daughter in the hospital. It was almost always actually for drugs.
How did you respond to fake gold? Did you write them a letter? Nah, I was like, hey, this one's probably fake. Sorry man, better luck next time.
Could I get meat instead of money? I called that the ladies special.
Most Desperate Customer? Definitely the married couple selling the rings off their fingers. Also had a guy bring me a gold chain he had bought at the jewelry story in the same mall i worked in on the same day. Had the receipt and everything. Credit card fraud maybe?
Do you remember how much he paid for the chain, and how much he got from you? He paid $1500 and my offer was under 300.
I know a guy that would buy jewelry on his credit card, then pawn it for cash. Jesus some people are bad with money. Yeah, that's fucking retarded. The guy that pulled that on me paid $1500 for gold that I offered him $220 for. Have fun with that awesome credit score/prison sentence.
Definitely cc fraud. not sure why he showed you the receipt though. He showed it to me to prove that he was the owner. He didn't seem like the smartest fellow I have to say.
My father works in a scrap yard and always tells me about the Amish coming in with cans with rocks in them. I like to imagine that they probably like to hit up "we buy gold" places. Have the Amish ever try selling chicken wire made ring painted gold? They have not. They have, however tried to sell me electric heaters with videos of a fire on loop.
What's the rate they give? I hear it's something like 10% of the actual value of the gold. Around 30% if you're lucky. Our biggest asset were our attractive female employees. Their adjustments were MUCH lower on average. It seems like people will take just about any offer from a hot young blonde.
Well you mean 30% of the scrap value of the gold. Not 30% of the jewelry value. You are correct, Mr. Genius.
What's the worst you've ripped somebody off? Have you ever felt bad about a deal where you gave somebody significantly less than what their gold was worth? I felt bad about nearly every deal. I never ripped anyone off too badly. If they had face tatoos or bloodshot eyes they would usually get less. Its just common sense people.
What happens to the gold items, jewelry for instance, after you buy it from us. I heard that it all gets smelted down, therefore is untraceable. Is this true? You are absolutely right. Although there is a waiting period of 30 days, and we have to submit records to law enforcement. The whereabouts of the diamonds and other stones where always sort of kept a secret. "No market for diamonds" my boss always told me. Sounds legit.
What do you mean "no market for diamonds"? I mean my boss was a lying asshole who tried to act like he didn't benefit from getting diamonds to justify not paying more for them.
Do you really buy gold? I did..But I got fired :(
How? Well, that's a boring story. Enjoy. Every day since I had been working there (6 months) I worked from 10am to 9pm. One day I was scheduled to work on our state's tax-free weekend, and the mall opened at 9, so I was scheduled from 9am to 10pm. Well I forgot and came in at 10. We have to log in to skype as soon as we come in, and nobody said a goddamn thing to me about it all day, so I wrote down 9-10 on my shift log. Two weeks later, my boss shows up at the end of my shift and tells me I'd committed a "cardinal sin" and that we would have to part ways. Not a smart move by any means on my end, but I was a little surprised that that was all it took. I typically gave more money than most of my co-workers which could have contributed. I'll honestly never know. The owner had come by my store just a week earlier, and made a point to remind me to ask people if they've ever sold gold before, and that if they say no then I should "offer less because they don't know what to expect." Who knows though really.
Log in to Skype? huh? they used that to keep track of times? Yep, pretty much.
I was in the jewelry business (my mom's boyfriend works as a bench jeweler and hired me to clean jewelry and his desk) I collected a LOT of gold dust from his work desk and the personal one at home. Do those places buy those? They would likely buy it buy weight. If they give you hell, tell them to just sprinkle some on the damn slate board thing and acid test it. I know I'd buy it.
I doubt I would have bought gold dust. But I guess it would depend on overall weight of it and then give you a much shittier deal then normal. I had a guy come in with a roll of gold foil. It was actually gold but it was so thin and light I was told by my boss not to even offer on it. I can't even imagine a use for that.
Just wondering, were there tests for how pure the gold was in your shop, or can people pull the sneaky and sell you a gold plated ring as 22 or so carat by being crafty/deceptive/fraudulent? Nope, we did acid tests. We would essentially scratch the jewelry or teeth or whatever on what I could only conceive was a plate of slate and glass. We poured various solutions of nitric and hydrocloric acid into the crevices, and if the gold dissolved, you knew it was either a lesser carat than the acid solution could dissolve, or it had no gold at all. With plated things you could typically watch the plate for a few seconds and the gold would dissolve more slowly. It was always important to get deep scratches because of the plated stuff. Magnets helped out a lot when customers had a large number of items. Gold isn't magnet, as is silver. Most counterfeits were made with magnetic metals, so that helped us avoid wasting a lot of time with testing.
If I wanted the market value for my gold, where is the best place for me to go? Let's say I wanted to start a gold buying business, to whom would I sell the gold I underpaid for? As an individual I have no idea where you would get market value. Every time I listen to talk radio I hear these conservative folks hocking gold. There's no way to get rid of it. Its all a giant scam. If you're able to get ahold of enough of it, as you are speaking of, you would sell it to a refinery for about 90-95% market value. My company eventually bought all the equipment and set up their own refinery. This enabled them to buy out several other gold stores.
Having lived in Chicago where we have progressive radio hosts I can say they are hocking gold as well. This is disappointing. I live in the south and have never heard a progressive radio host. I'd imagine they are just as dogmatic as their counterparts.
Well this might sounds crazy but i heard a whole conspiracy theory about the gold buying people, and how it's to devalue the dollar... is that crazy or have you heard of that before? It all sounds like bullshit to me. First, you have to accept the premise that Armageddon is coming in our lifetime. Second, you have to believe people will still put value in gold when it does. Yeah gold is rare, but so is yttrium and nobody gives a fuck about that/would give a fuck about that if the world were ending. Third, most of the people I hear advocating this are being paid by companies who deal in commodities. Nope.
Do you know how these stores choose a location? I mean, what kind of research do they do? Every time a new one springs up in a neighborhood I'm living in I feel sad. As if it's a sign that there are significant numbers of hopeless, desperate people around for these shops to prey on. Do they search for low income, high rise apts, crime rate, education levels, etc? I never made any of those decisions, so I'm not entirely sure. But from what I inferred we mostly focused on population density vs number of local competitors. I live in the south, and desperate people are in abundance in most cities. The last store we opened was actually in my own home town which wasn't exactly a bastion of hopelessness, but the county and surrounding cities were some of the top meth-producers in the nation. We tried to keep the overhead as low as possible which certainly could have contributed to operating in shady locations. You could certainly assume we wouldn't be opening any stores in more well-to-do locations.
[Ahh Southpark] (Link to www.youtube.com. This is probably why I felt great relief the moment I was let go.
Would you say that gold has a value represented by a certain amount of dollars, or that dollars has a value represented by a certain amount of gold ? Ooh! Ooh! The first one! But ultimately that gold has to represent a certain amount of goods. Hell, maybe people won't see it as useful and will only trade other goods for goods.
How long have you been clean, and how did you kick the habit? If you don't mind me asking... About two months. Well, my girlfriend ended up letting the word get out to one of my best friends.. He came to see me and gave me a talk that really hit home. He was telling me about how he was having a hard time because a couple of his family members were sick or dying, he was having relationship problems, and "now I hear that you're not doing well.. its been really wearing on me man." That made me realize that it wasn't just about me. That if I couldn't be there for myself, then I couldn't be there for anyone else. It made me realize how much my actions were affecting not just myself, but everyone around me.
How easy is it to skip the middleman and sell the old jewelry directly to the metalsmith? Not so easy. You would have to have some pretty nifty connections to someone who owns or works for a refinery. Some folks here have mentioned various websites and companies that pay out within 5-15% of market value. My company was not one of these.
Are you a jew? Neigh. I'm a horse, bitch.
I'm a little late to the party, but I was wondering if you've ever taken someone's coin or piece of jewelry to the back to "examine" and brought them back a fake? That might be easier if it was a scrap piece or ball of gold? I've definitely never done that, and would never consider it. That's really low. I always made sure to hand their gold back with a smile, recommend other places, and wish them the best of luck when a buy didn't go through.
What percentage of the gold you bought was suspected stolen? Did you cooperate with law enforcement? Maybe 15%. We did cooperate with law enforcement. And I had to deal with them a lot. On very rare and valuable coins, my boss would instruct us to be very vague in the records so it would be harder to trace.
Have you ever purchsed gold from addicts? are you instructed to ask any questions to find out if the gold has been stolen? Absolutely. I'd say the majority of gold I bought was from addicts. We were not really instructed to find out, and if anything, it was just so we could offer them less knowing it didn't mean as much to them.
Holly crap!, with that said, have you had any body that inquired about a piece that you thought you might have purchased from a junkie? I had to deal with a lot of angry people who's relatives had stolen things from them and sold them to us. The worst moment I had was when someone sold us a stolen silver pitcher for $300 and my boss made me charge them $600 to buy it back. I apologized profusely the entire time and they couldn't have been nicer given the circumstances.
I tried to pawn my class ring once but was told that class rings weren't really made from gold. Said that it barely had a layer of gold on the outside that eventually rubbed away. Is this really true? Some class rings are gold and some are gold plated. His explanation sounds legit, as that is what would happen with plated stuff. The non-plated class rings tend to go for quite a bit as they tend to be pretty heavy. They do have huge stones however, which we deduct weight for.
how the fuck does one get actual value for their gold. See? That's the scam Glenn Beck and Ron Paul are trying to sell. Yep. I hear those asshats hawking gold like crazy on talk radio.
What is the most absurd gold item you've ever encountered? Just your standard gold teeth. All white people surprisingly enough.
You take the gold jewelry to an actual coin shop instead of a rip off we buy gold shop? They will buy the gold for much closer to its melt value. Their business is based around margins so you might get 95% the value of the gold instead of 20%. In the precious metals community there are lots of jokes about cash for gold people. My favorite? Link to www.catsforgold.com. I lol'd.
More useful than a Psychology major. I was one of those. Had to spend 3 more semesters getting another degree in Biochemistry after realizing how useless my degree was. Still don't have good job.
I'm sorry to hear that. I bet you armchair diagnose mental disabilities like a champ tho. You're damn right I do.
Dunno about silver. The company i worked for used to buy Silver too but it wasn't worth very much. Platinum had the best price / gram, but that was very rare to see I only ever got 1 piece of it. When I was working gold was worth about as much as platinum if not a little more. I think the price of 1oz of gold was around 100 more than platinum. Gold is currently worth about $120 more than platinum per oz.
My dad works with gold, and sells the gold dust he has leftover directly to a gold smith. I wish someone would have sold me gold dust. I may have attempted to buy it directly. Sounds magical. I would sprinkle it on my steaks.
It is illegal in America and the UK for private citizens to possess gold bullion. That's from the FDR administration. I'm pretty sure that's not true. We bought it regularly from private citizens and never had any problems with law enforcement. Maybe you are kidding.
Where I live the place I go to is a refinery. Cascade Refinery. They pay about 10% below spot price, usually. And they purchase circuit boards for 2.30 a pound too! Wish I knew a circuit board buyer :(
Break in and steal someones gold jewelry. Slip said stolen gold in an envelope and mail it in to gold store. Wait until check arrives. Party! Pretty much.
They would have to report the item stolen then, probably resulting in their son being thrown in jail. Instead they just buy back the item for more than their son got for it, but keep the police out of it. You got it, sir.
Remembering the withdrawals, I would rather have the gaseous soundtrack. Can't argue with that. A needle broke off in my arm a few months ago and its just starting to work its way out. Maybe fecal masturbation IS better than some things.
That sucks, i saw a mate many moons ago have that happen but it scared me shitless, what was your reaction when it happened apart from oh shit haha. Nice AMA too :D. Something the along the lines of, "OH SHIT. OH SHIT. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK." Then I proceeded to transfer to contents to a fresh dirty syringe and hit the exact same vein. Heroin's a hell of a drug.
Link to www.imdb.com. Downloading. Thanks for the recommendation.
I'm the jerk that brought this from 666 comments to 667 comments. Dick.
What does your username mean. Joe Negron ran for Senate (or something) in Florida a few years ago. The name always stuck with me. I was uncreative at the moment of registration.
Also, negro. Negro please.
Im such a gamer... I saw the "we buy gold" and for some reason associated it with this ama being about an employee at one of those sites that sells in game gold for real money... Hah. That would be an interesting AMA. That job would be boring as fuck unless you had a good bot program. And it seems like the folks who do it make less than minimum wage when considering the time spent vs money made.
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